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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by takenoko » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:37 pm

Deathstrike wrote:Makes you wonder why Kanzaki would create a Rider deck that requires contracts with so many Monsters. It just seems like an impossible task to feed that many.
You mean those blank decks that don't become customized till a contract is made?

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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by Deathstrike » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:33 pm

I get where you are going, but we know that the Contract Cards can only hold 1 monster. Otherwise, Asakura could just have had all his monsters in 1 card as well.
Imperer's Contract Card was obviously modified to hold hundreds of monsters.

Though I guess another explanation could be that the zelle monsters always travel in groups. So if you get control of one, you get control of them all.

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Post by Tuss4 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:25 pm

actually, couldn't Imperer have paid the riders to finish off his contract monsters? After that he could easily give up his deck.
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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by Darien_Shields » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:07 pm

(haven't finished torrenting the episode yet, just wanted to make a comment about Imperer)

Wikipedia says something to the effect of Imperer actually only having *one* contract monster, but the "Zellers" (Gazelle type monsters) travel in a herd, and so, even though he only had a contract with one technically, the others followed it into battle. So I guess he only had to worry about his one "official" contract monster?

I dunno what Wikipedia's source is, but it's worth noting that Ouja has three contract monsters, and he has to use a different advent card for each one (unless he's summoning their hilarious combined form). I only remember seeing Imperer using the one card which summoned the lot.

Shame about Imperer. I disliked his character, but I quite liked his rider design. Especially I liked the knee mounted card slot. I expected him to have more in the way of awesome kick moves.

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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by Nihon_Rider_105 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:05 pm

Man I'm like the only one that didn't hate the new Rider lol.
Its sad to see him go. Then there were 5...or 6 if Odin is being counted.
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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by archer9234 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:17 pm

The problem was is that he acted as a snob/bum. You usually hate people like that. I wonder if he could of just given the deck to say Shinji and quit. Would they still go after him or demand shinji to feed them.

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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by takenoko » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:18 pm

I remember that there are different types of those gazelle monsters. Maybe he made a contract with the leader, and the rest are just the weak underlings that get slaughtered easily? I honestly didn't watch close enough to tell

>The problem was is that he off as a sob/bum. You usually hate people like that.

I don't really see why. Should I hate poor people because they're less fortunate than others?

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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by Gunzy » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:44 pm

archer9234 wrote:The problem was is that he acted as a snob/bum. You usually hate people like that. I wonder if he could of just given the deck to say Shinji and quit. Would they still go after him or demand shinji to feed them.

So you dislike rich and poor people?
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Post by ryuho209 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:11 pm

Also, what was the point of even introducing him at this point? He maybe caused a bit of strife, maybe he might have sent Tiger over the edge, but I don't know that.

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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by Deka_Hero » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:19 pm

takenoko wrote:I remember that there are different types of those gazelle monsters. Maybe he made a contract with the leader, and the rest are just the weak underlings that get slaughtered easily? I honestly didn't watch close enough to tell

>The problem was is that he off as a sob/bum. You usually hate people like that.

I don't really see why. Should I hate poor people because they're less fortunate than others?
He made a Contract with Gigazelle, but there are two others type's (Ultrazelle's and Omegazelle's) over it.
The Herd mentality sounds right, or else he could only controls Giga and Megazelle's.

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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by Artimid » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:29 pm

ryuho209 wrote:Also, what was the point of even introducing him at this point? He maybe caused a bit of strife, maybe he might have sent Tiger over the edge, but I don't know that.
I think he was introduced now for several reasons.

First: To show a more human rider. Shinji is a human, but he fights to stop others fighting. Ren is human, but he is the selfless person. This new one fought simply to get out of his slot in life, and this was what he saw as his only chance. It wasn't to save a life, it wasn't even really for money.. it was simply a struggle to improve the sad life his father forced on him. His humanity was also what made his death more tragic, as his desperation drove him to keep fighting.

Two: He was also introduced, I feel, to show us that the fight is still on. Lives are still at stake, and this isn't a monster fighting game.. it is a rider war. Their lives are at risk if they try to stop, and their lives are at risk when they turn their backs to even people they consider friends. We have seen riders killed before, but not when they were begging for help, not when they were actually trying to live. The first one killed was eaten by his monster, the second was someone who thought it was a game. This guy died when he just wanted to live, and the only reason he was fighting at that point was to survive... as his life had been threatened.

So, again, while I didn't really enjoy his character, I do see where he was kind of needed for the story. The story can move on a bit more, as we see that Tiger really has a bolt broken in his head, we also see in a better light -just- what is at risk and on the table for these guys.

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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by takenoko » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:27 pm

ryuho209 wrote:Also, what was the point of even introducing him at this point? He maybe caused a bit of strife, maybe he might have sent Tiger over the edge, but I don't know that.
Because there are 13 decks?

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Post by Tuss4 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:35 pm

Tuss4 wrote:actually, couldn't Imperer have paid the riders to finish off his contract monsters? After that he could easily give up his deck.
seriously any thoughts on this?
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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by takenoko » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:37 am

When you said that, I thought "...and after killing the monsters the other Riders would probably then kill him too".

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Re: Ryuki 44 released

Post by KR_FIA » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:14 am

Hmm, now I really have problem figuring out Asakura's code.
spoiler]He attacked a pretty much dying Imperer. I don't remember Imperer ever vexed him( Maybe just that part about with Kitaoka's "introduction" letter).

Plus, knowing Asakura, he will rather play an active role of cat between cat playing mouse, so why will he finish off a dying mouse that poses no challenge? Is he that desperate to feed Genocider with those gazelles or something?[/spoiler]

That said, Toujou ranks even higher on the twisted-o-meter than Asakura.
spoiler]With him backstabbing his benefactor. Oh well, Imperer himself should have known better to trust someone who just killed his own sensei.[/spoiler]

As for Imperer,
spoiler]if he was humble enough to tell Shinji and Ren that he no longer wants to fight, perhaps they would help along( Shinji might given his knowledge of Tezuka's case.)?

And I expected the group of gazelles to start feasting on their former master when the deck broke.[/spoiler]

Releases have been fast these days. 5 more to go, so keep up the good work!

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