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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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You'll be better using this rather than VHS DVD Combo
https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Composite ... 576&sr=8-5
if you don't want to mess with SCART but if you want the best result possible SCART is the way.
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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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Well, I guess I don't totally understand how to use a SCART? Would I just get a converter and plug my svideo into that?
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yes get a cheap ass GANA one or a relatively high end like Tendak I just link you will be fine
but the capture video will be dim and not much contrast but watchable.
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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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takenoko wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:50 pm
Well, I guess I don't totally understand how to use a SCART? Would I just get a converter and plug my svideo into that?
Think of SCART as a super high-end connector. You'd need a tape deck that offered it as an output, as well as the right cables and adapters to feed it into a capture device with an RGB (VGA) input.

Technically gundamgear is right in that it would probably offer the best output. But I disagree that it's necessary here. TV-N encodes aren't encoded at bitrates that are high enough to really exploit the difference. Never mind the fact that VHS and Laserdisc are inherently composite signals to begin with. The whole thing is a massive rabbit hole to go down that will drive you mad. :lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/co ... ackup_vhs/

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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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Sure, but at the same time I don't want to pick up a cheapo device that Uncle Bob uses to back up his home videos. This stuff is going out to a judgemental and merciless public lol

Man, how do you even buy a new VCR in this day and age. Surprised that hasn't made its retro comeback like the vinyl
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Well watch this video and then decide which route you are going to get
Both are relatively 35-45ish we are not talking about true RGB SCART here
just converted SCART vs composite upscale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2esrntq2RDs
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takenoko wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:24 am
Sure, but at the same time I don't want to pick up a cheapo device that Uncle Bob uses to back up his home videos. This stuff is going out to a judgemental and merciless public lol

Man, how do you even buy a new VCR in this day and age. Surprised that hasn't made its retro comeback like the vinyl
Get a good tape deck. Get a $100 USB capture device. And then you'll be golden.:)

If nothing else, I'd strongly suggest reading those DataHoarder links above, and then go from there. The Data Hoarders are the uber nerds when it comes to video archival.
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:04 am
Well watch this video and then decide which route you are going to get
Both are relatively 35-45ish we are not talking about true RGB SCART here
just converted SCART vs composite upscale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2esrntq2RDs
That video is a very poor example for multiple reasons. First, Takenoko is looking to capture VHS/LD recordings, where the image quality has already been greatly compromised by the recording medium (it's essentially recorded as composite to begin win). Second, SCART technically has nothing to do with what's going on there. The NES can only output a composite signal, so his NES SCART adapter was just allowing him to feed a composite signal into his SCART capture device. The author ended up testing the quality of the capture device, not the interface.
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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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ViRGE wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:31 am

That video is a very poor example for multiple reasons. First, Takenoko is looking to capture VHS/LD recordings, where the image quality has already been greatly compromised by the recording medium (it's essentially recorded as composite to begin win). Second, SCART technically has nothing to do with what's going on there. The NES can only output a composite signal, so his NES SCART adapter was just allowing him to feed a composite signal into his SCART capture device. The author ended up testing the quality of the capture device, not the interface.
Well technically a SCART converter let you split up a compress RCA signal(R,G,B, Luma,Sync in one cable) into separate signal channel and make an upscaler
processor an easy and stronger signal to process with which by no mean cannot compare to a true RGB SCART but a choice that you can choose.
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Well look like ViRGE are confuse with the process I try to convey here,I am not told Takenoko to record video as source
but up scaling it to fit on modern TV and Monitor by either
composite > upscaler converter(line doubler,Antialiasing)>HDMI output > capture device
composite > SCART converter(separate the signal) > upscaler converter(line doubler,Antialiasing)>HDMI output > capture device
Which type of upscaler box is up to Takenoko choosing I just present him with a choice.
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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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gundamgear wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:51 am
ViRGE wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:31 am

That video is a very poor example for multiple reasons. First, Takenoko is looking to capture VHS/LD recordings, where the image quality has already been greatly compromised by the recording medium (it's essentially recorded as composite to begin win). Second, SCART technically has nothing to do with what's going on there. The NES can only output a composite signal, so his NES SCART adapter was just allowing him to feed a composite signal into his SCART capture device. The author ended up testing the quality of the capture device, not the interface.
Well technically a SCART converter let you split up a compress RCA signal(R,G,B, Luma,Sync in one cable) into separate signal channel
We're getting off topic here (sorry, Takenoko!), but to address this point: that's not what his specific converter does. His converter just converts RCA composite to SCART composite. He even pops it open briefly; there are no active electronics inside, just wires going from pin to pin, with some resistors as necessary. It's a passive adapter.

A composite to RGB converter would be a significantly more complex active device, as that process requires a PLL to separate the colors, among other things.
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:24 am
Well look like ViRGE are confuse with the process I try to convey here,I am not told Takenoko to record video as source
but up scaling it to fit on modern TV and Monitor by either
composite > upscaler converter(line doubler,Antialiasing)>HDMI output > capture device
composite > SCART converter(separate the signal) > upscaler converter(line doubler,Antialiasing)>HDMI output > capture device
Which type of upscaler box is up to Takenoko choosing I just present him with a choice.
Because this is being fed into a capture device for later use, there's no reason to upscale the image in pre-processing. A good capture device can properly record the material at its native resolution. Then additional upscaling and deinterlacing can be applied in software as necessary.

What you're describing would be appropriate for playing an NES on an HDTV or such. But that's not what Takenoko is trying to do.
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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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Upscale a miniscule analog source after it being dgitize and compress?
good luck with that quality and time consume, instead of analog to analog
signal process then digitize you suggest a Raw analog being digitize compress to
h.264 then unpack it upscale and repack it? how much will be lost during that?

and I quote
which by no mean cannot compare to a true RGB SCART
it just a passive wire connector right but a SCART receiver at the other end look for only
what signal they where looking for like a SCART RED pin only filter out red signal Chroma pin only
filter out chroma and so on even it only composite to have many signal to compare to effect greatly
in picture process quality.

in this youtube video I post earlier show that how crappy ezcap capture device capture from a bad source and simple SCART composite has a different result.
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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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gundamgear wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 am
and I quote
which by no mean cannot compare to a true RGB SCART
it just a passive wire connector right but a SCART receiver at the other end look for only
what signal they where looking for like a SCART RED pin only filter out red signal Chroma pin only
filter out chroma and so on even it only composite to have many signal to compare to effect greatly
in picture process quality.
That composite-to-SCART adapter isn't converting or splitting things to RGB. It's not sending a signal to the RGB pins of the SCART connector. It's sending a signal to the composite pins of the SCART connector.
in this youtube video I post earlier show that how crappy ezcap capture device capture from a bad source and simple SCART composite has a different result.
The difference in quality is due to the capture device, not the interface. If he had that exact same capture device with an RCA composite input, he would have achieved the exact same image quality. In both cases, what's being ingested is composite video.
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Re: Good way to capture VHS/LD footage?

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Then by all mean For Takenoko ease of use let him get an S-video upscaler Box
for Takenoko SCART is an unfamiliar territories to him any way but a pre-process
signal is still way easy than post process upscale because bad capture source is lead to bad
upscale video with all this information please choose carefully Takenoko which rabbit hole
you are going to enter.I'm just present a choice, a bad choice you say but still a choice.
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