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https://kotaku.com/the-complex-problem- ... 1834942214

It's also weird when they switch the names, but don't do it for all the names. Like in From's recent game Sekiro, it has Japanese and English tracks. For the Japanese on, Nogami Gensai announces his name that way. But his brother is Inosuke Nogami. Thanks for that!

It's even that way on the wiki:

https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fext ... uke+Nogami
https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fext ... ami+Gensai

If you're a westerner not familiar with which is the family name, would you have realized that Nogami was the family name and these guys were brothers?
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So it was a change they introduced themselves to make it easier to relate to the Americans and the Chinese and Koreans didn't do it and now they want to change back?
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Did they have a choice? I imagine a lot of the Americanization that happened post World War II was compulsory
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The article says that the changed happened in the Meiji era, which was before WW2. Quite a lot of modernising/westernising happening during the Meiji era.
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Oh, I didn't read that. My mistake!
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You know, the more I think about this, the more confused my bias gets, if that makes sense. To the point where I almost want to say "just keep it as it is"

But then my thought process reverts to "well, we do it for the Chinese and Korean, why not the Japanese?" And then I keep thinking counter-arguments and why should follow tradition and why they shouldn't, and then my gut comes up an goes "just change it already"

It's funny how I'm having this massive internal conflict inside my head, almost civil-war-ish, over a language I can barely understand. (I do try)

One of the reasons I keep coming back for subs is because you guys follow the traditional way, so I guess that's where I standon the matter. But then again, I don't know why I'm getting so worked up over an issue that, quite frankly, isn't really going to affect my personal life.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/ja ... index.html

I get why most people probably don't want to do it, but it seems like it'll be confusing regardless. Most people expect a western order when coming from English speaking countries.

But when encountering a Japanese name, it always feels like a crapshoot on whether it's family name first (Asian style) or given name first (western style). Unless people are familiar with family names, it's pretty easy to see them swapped around.

I even see it here. If I quizzed people on stuff like
"Is Fuwa his given name or family name"
"What's Fuwa's other name and is that his family name or given name"
"What does it mean when Fuwa calls her Yaiba, while Gai calls her Yua"
"Is Gai his given name or last name?"

How many would people get right?

I really like translating Japanese stuff because there's so much significance to everything. The way people address each other, the way honorifics are used or not used. It's a lot of granularities of meaning that are kind of fun to unpack and discover.
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Me likes it this way, as I mean, follow the order what the character itself pronounced, not by naming rules for only western or asian. I like subs that followed this. If there is a Japanese guy that introduced Kinji Takigawa, then use this. If he said his name is Hiden Aruto, then use this. I like when subs is mostly coherent with the speech used by the characters
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hiro9796 wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 4:12 am
Me likes it this way, as I mean, follow the order what the character itself pronounced, not by naming rules for only western or asian. I like subs that followed this. If there is a Japanese guy that introduced Kinji Takigawa, then use this. If he said his name is Hiden Aruto, then use this. I like when subs is mostly coherent with the speech used by the characters
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