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KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby takenoko » Sat May 27, 2017 12:09 am

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Alt Title - Damn it

Great episode. We finally see how everything goes to shit and leads us into the current storyline.

Not to sound like a broken record, but man the writing for Amazons is amazing. It's just a series of emotional and plot epiphanies that are sensical when you think about them.

I never thought about it before, but of course Jin would want to kill his son if he turned out to be an Amazon. And maybe for good reason, though it's still left a little ambiguous?

Though the morals of the series are a lovely shade between black and white, I think that Jin is pretty easily the most sensible protagonist in the series. Yeah, Amazons are somewhere between a new race of intelligent lifeforms and monsters. Sorry if not all of them are monsters, but if it's gotta be us or them, then it's gotta be the humans who take priority.

Cue Jin's appearance in the last episode. Back then, it seemed like a touching reunion between father and son. Now let's play a half hour of context and then go back to the scene. Oh shit, Jin wants to kill Chihiro, plus, he somehow knows that Chihiro appears to have killed Nanaha. That's devastating and makes a lot of sense and I didn't see it coming at all.

Also, it's a bit heartbreaking to see Professor Hoshino and his family before the tragedy. Those guys didn't deserve that tragedy that was foisted upon them. And the worst part is, Jin is the one who does it to him (although it was an accident).
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby OOOKaiser » Sat May 27, 2017 10:28 am

i don't think he knows that Chihiro killed Nanaha, he just smelled her scent on him and assumed because he was an Amazon that he killed his own mother. Which makes me sad because Nanaha is probably dead :(
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby takenoko » Sat May 27, 2017 11:38 am

Yeah, I was holding out hope, but still.

In a way, I sort of don't like this portrayal of Nanaha. Jin and Nanaha were the power couple in toku. The relationship that felt genuine. I can't really see her deciding to defy Jin's wishes and raising a child that would ultimately kill her. And I don't see Jin blindly following his creed without even giving a second's consideration of what Nanaha wants. It feels like a situation forced upon them to create better drama.
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby TypicalStandUser » Sun May 28, 2017 1:21 am

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Using Krieger's version is inappropriate for a wham of an episode like this one.

Where to effing begin...

Jin monkey-wrenched 90% of the players going to Season 2 and humanity's starting to fear him. Jin getting the "hero we may need but don't want right now" treatment was expected. And he effing knew that coitus with Nanaha would have severe consequences. During that one fight with Haruka after the latter saved a female Amazonz, the moment Jin gets the KO, there's a dead fly. Microscoped to screen... Not the best indicator of how Jin has become cakewalk for Haruka but it's fine.

And then the intro of Season 2 with the flashback color filter... I wanted to distract myself and I did with playing too much games, watching other stuff... I cried the moment I saw the entire sequence.

I've noticed that the flashback filter gets switched back to the normal filter once and a while, like in the Jin VS Haruka fights.

Rant about Kobayashi.


Kobayashi-sensei, you monster. It's great that you've turned Jin into a complete psychopath oblivious to all the ramifications of his Anti-Amazonz crusade, but why was Nanaha a cost to do so??!!

Getting Yuuri's mom killed along with her husband and youngest child assassinated wasn't enough. Burning Anna Luis at the stake for being a Makai Priest didn't even sate you. Having Hiromu sacrifice his parents (and their colleagues, among them Yoko's mom) to render Messiah weak was just a stepping stone, not a signal to stop. You went for actual matricide and giving the audience one ultra nightmare for this season: a better Patient Zero than the one in Ex-Aid.

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Thank you for your performance, Ayu Higashi. This is the episode people will love and hate for the revelations and the setup for Season Two.
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby iori93 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:02 am

Why suddenly Jin's skin became normal?
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby takenoko » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:24 am

I think they did a jump cut in time.
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby RyuShinEX » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:28 am

now i'm sure there won't be a 3rd season, silly me.
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby takenoko » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:42 am

How can there be? What letters are left?!
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby Izanagi_Izanami12345 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:02 am

What a series of events. So Nanaha is probably (?) gone and Chihiro unknowingly is the cause of the current Amazons appearances. And poor Iyu and her whole family.

At some point, this episode left a bitter taste in my mouth with the tragedy. Chihiro is not my favorite character in this season, his obsession with Iyu often ended up annoying imho. However seeing him right now after the reveal make me feel sad for him. His father wants to kill him, out of his control then he ate her mother, or bite, basically turned her into Amazon, also indirectly the cause of Iyu's whole ordeal and the current gen of Amazons. There is a little chance that it would be a good ending for Chihiro, especially with Iyu.

Also I guess it's kind of ironic between the two seasons' protagonists, Chihiro and Haruka, because at least for Haruka he walked the path of his own choosing while for Chihiro everything's f**ked up the moment he was conceived..

Last, this episode while explains many things also creates a lot more questions for me. Like...
1. The relation between Haruka's mom with the current event. Judging by the last episode she's definitely not just a bystander.
2. Who gave Mamoru the amazon's body to spread the cell,

which there's a high chance of those are the remaining of Nanaha's (?).

3. The sudden recovery of Jin, personally I felt like there is a sort of missing link there. Not try to grasping from nowhere but

it might connected to no.1 and 2, and she also knows about Chihiro and what he is
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby takenoko » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:53 am

Yeah, poor Chihiro. If there is such a thing as fate in the world, it's the things you receive from your parents.
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby Kurokage X » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:11 pm

Good lord this episode was great

And damn considering what happened with Nanaha
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby Catastrophe » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:27 pm

How strong has Haruka become that he just tanks being impaled straight through the chest. Poor Jin. Didn't see that next attack coming (ha!).

It's kind of depressing that Jin is indirectly responsible for the 2nd outbreak as well. I guess it fits in with the depressing tone of the series.
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby Kurow » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:54 pm

I'm a broken record and this is just another amazing episode. The actors did a great job and you really care for these characters and the situation. After see all the struggles that Jin and Nanaha went through and also be able to see Iyu when she was alive and how her father really loved her...

This have been such amazing year for toku first with Zero Blood and now with Amazons S2.

I will always remember this episode as one of my favorite ever and this show is probably now my second favorite Kamen Rider show of all time.
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby resop2 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:26 pm

I had a horrible thought: one can draw an analogy between Jin and the duelists of Revolutionary Girl Utena: The duelists want to crack the world's shell so they can bring revolution to the world, Jin eats hard boiled eggs while crunching the shells so that he can prevent the Amazons from bringing revolution (replacing the world of humans with the world of Amazons) to the world.
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Re: KR Amazons Season 02 Episode 08 released

Postby Ashki » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:08 pm

I feel like some thing in this episode simply couldn't be predicted. I'm also glad to learn that my complaint from s1 turned out to be unfounded...

Jin has the original Amazon's suit (with some mods). For that reason, I always felt he shoul have been the main protagonist. He also seemed to always have the best potrayal while Haruka was a disappointment. Now we learn that Chihiro and Haruka are really just the placeholdrs and Amazons really IS the story of Jin. I'm really saddened about Nahana, but at the same time, I feel that was the perfect ending for her. The fact that he had the Alpha Driver instead of Haruka should've been a dead givaway that he'd be tied to The Original, but was still a bit of a red herring.

takenoko wrote:In a way, I sort of don't like this portrayal of Nanaha. Jin and Nanaha were the power couple in toku. The relationship that felt genuine. I can't really see her deciding to defy Jin's wishes and raising a child that would ultimately kill her. And I don't see Jin blindly following his creed without even giving a second's consideration of what Nanaha wants. It feels like a situation forced upon them to create better drama.


I have to disagree. If you focus upon Jin's descent, it's pretty clear that Nahana was doing this partially for his sake. in waasn't acting like himself and it took him a long time to even realise she was pregnant. The scene at the end of s1 with him in her lap originally gave me the impresion she was pregnant for some reason, and now we know they had a kid. Was all of this already planned? when Jin was exposed to Tlalok, I feel he might have suffered some form of brain damage. Not that he wasn't slipping into madnes throughout s1, but it looks like the Amazon cells were getting the upper hand after the seasonn ended.

There's no doubt Jin was happy to be a father and that it mae him love Nahana even more. Unfortunately, the moment the Amazon connection slipped out of his mouth, that was when he realised. To Jinn, every human that dies from an Amazon was a vitim of him personally, and he lost sight somewhee of WHO he was fighting for. Nahana perhaps hoped that Chihiro could save Jin one day from himself... or perhaps she realised the Jin she knew and loved was truly gone at this point...


And Iyu continues to be my favourite character. For someone with no personality and no life (literally and figuratively), she continues to pull me in every episode. Seeing her last episode and then this one with all these flashbacks of when she was alive really hit home that she's not just a walking corpse. and her crow motif is now beginning to take on a whole new meaning now that we know how she and her father were involved.

Poor Jin, the tragic fallen hero who becomes his own worst nightmare... If only they'd take some tips from this show for the Bugster, Ex-Aid woul be taken to a whole new level.


Bravo, Toei... You may screw a lot of stuff up these days, but when you take the training wheels off, your writers blow the episodes out of the water every time!
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