KR Zi-O 02 released

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KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by takenoko » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:20 am

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Last episode of Build's rating: 3.62 / 5 (29 votes)

Alt Title: Time travel nonsense

Maybe this will make more sense when I translate it, but I don't feel like I entirely understand what's going on. And it feels like time travel nonsense more than anything.

Both Sougo and Geiz have one exceptionally wooden performance in this, but I think the worst thing is this... After 10 years of hitting that nostalgia dopamine button, both creator and viewer have calloused over those receptors and they just aren't receptive anymore. Zi-O doesn't make the nostalgia feel like "a big deal". It feels like the appearance of Build and Ex-Aid actors should be treated in a more grandiose way, and it just isn't.

Geiz goes from "I must kill this guy" to "Guess I'm fighting with him" and even though Zi-O rescues him in the middle, it doesn't feel like a natural flow? Kind of dislike how the show focuses on getting to the action instead of character moments or story or world building.

Funniest moment: Franken Build saying that he and Cross-Z are the Best Match. Did they even make that joke in Build?

Question, what's the difference between Zi-O and Geiz's belts? It seems like Zi-O's normally has 0's while Geiz's looks like it's got binary on it when he transforms?

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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by OOOKaiser » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:35 pm

takenoko wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:20 am
Question, what's the difference between Zi-O and Geiz's belts? It seems like Zi-O's normally has 0's while Geiz's looks like it's got binary on it when he transforms?
I don't really see the difference between the two belts, but i'm not sure if anyone noticed this or posted it in the last thread, Zi-O looks to be based on an analog clock while Geiz looks like he's based on a digital clock. And after these two episodes, I really wished that they had done Build later on after Build had ended so the writers can write a better story. Now the audience is just as confused as I am. I don't think Zi-O is bad and its only the first two episodes. I just hope they create a good story and build it around the past Kamen Riders. Build's arc wasn't just that interesting to me and it was rushed as well.

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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by Lunagel » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:17 am

I'm calling it now, Oma Zi-O is Another Zi-O.

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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by TypicalStandUser » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:20 am

Woz’s other job aside from hyping Zi-O is informing the audience the “Previously on”. I’m getting the feeling he’s an Unreliable Narrator because he’s been too eager in helping Sougo’s quest. He’s hiding something. He might be the contingency unit.

Geiz this episode is what most people call "skeptics giving people a chance", though I wouldn't be surprised if he started every morning aiming a gun with empty bullets on Sougo's head.

Again, I welcome your gamble, Tsuku-chan and Geiz. Do not be unsure in your efforts in getting rid of the Demon King. I expect you two to realize that the timeline will be compromised. I.E: Build and Cross-Z losing their powers because the Build series RideWatches that our main heroes possess right now have them.

To completely defeat a MOTW AND have its trinket destroyed, lest a TimeJacker resuscitate the MOTW, they have to be defeated in the timeline they were created in… OK.

I gotta agree with Take. The time travel and timeline narrative's subpar and needs some more polishing. Seems some elements found in this episode may be important for the upcoming Heisei Generations Forever movie.

Eh episode. I do like the Sento/Ryuuga segments.
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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by Arigomi » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:29 pm

It seems Geiz has realized just taking out Zi-O won't work. That would just pave the way for the Timejackers to install their own demon king. The time paradox with the Build and Cross-Z watches also hints at other forces at work that he can't circumvent.

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Post by TypicalStandUser » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:28 pm

With Woz's job as the guy telling us the "previously on" and "next time on", what's the Egyptian Empire equivalent to the hype man? Is it like the Vizier?
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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by HowlingSnail » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:52 pm

Are Tsukuyomi and Geiz pretending to be a couple then? Or does Sougo's uncle think they're just friends?
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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by Kogashi » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:14 pm

Woz is so far the best thing bout this show which is a rude thing of me to say only 2 episodes in... but I am in a weirdly hurt place as I feel like the show lied to me and did a hard back peddle on what they promised in the first episode.

First episode, if I am not mistaken, presented the Timejacker's deal with Another Build, being 'in this timeline, you get hit by the car and die, but make a deal with me and you'll be fine'. Then when presenting himself to our heroes, he revealed that it was just that his basketball career would be over. yes there is the line of 'his time would stop' but it seemed more a metaphor about doing something as oppose to dying from it cause if he DIED from the accident it wouldn't matter if his BASKETBALL CAREER ENDED OR NOT but I am getting off the point the point is, I feel insulted, that they promised a dark idea that could bring an interesting twist to Monsters of the Week, and then backed down an episode later... twice cause once he's fully defeated he wakes back up in his timeline perfectly fine time still altered. So no downside for changing his timeline and his basketball career ending, or whoever was in those cars getting messed up.

Yes, I know this is a kid's show, but it's a kid's show about people traveling back in time in order to kill a man who in the future slaughters BILLIONS from the sounds of it. And they do not even have the stamina to bring into our minds, that preserving the timeline will still cost lives. Only they failed because the Timejacker being back in time in the first place and even MAKING Another Build to being Oma Build in place of Oma Zi-o somehow... erases, Build from ever having existed except when the watch activates because the monster in the present is defeated twice?

I will say that the special effects game is coming in strong, both with the kick katakana(?) appearing around Another Build from Zi-o, or that Geiz's kick shows the monster's future as defeated. Awesome effects that are also fun. Woz, is still fun and I still have hopes for him. But it is only the second episode and we have already had someone act out of character for their end goals without knowing why or being able to give even a 'but I want to trust that they will-' something or other explanation. Also, to all those who just LOOOOOOOOVE complaining bout Decade, hating how in Decade he never even meets the older Riders. Well, now we have Zi-o, who simply by existing, makes the previous riders retroactively never have existed, to the point of their name's changing. That better? I don't think that's better. then again I am a Decade defender.
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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by takenoko » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:35 pm

>Woz is so far the best thing bout this show which is a rude thing of me to say only 2 episodes in...

Woz is pretty good. He's got knowledge, he's got a specific goal, and he seems to enjoy being there. Sougo, Tsukuyomi, and Geiz are a bit one dimensional, we know very little about them outside their intended goals.

>twice cause once he's fully defeated he wakes back up in his timeline perfectly fine time still altered. So no downside for changing his timeline and his basketball career ending, or whoever was in those cars getting messed up.

Yeah, it seems like a weird get-out-of-jail card for the guy. Make a deal with the devil, and get your cake too. Maybe if he suffered some injury from being Rider kicked twice or something. It also seems weird for the Riders to not acknowledge the guy was the monster???

>Well, now we have Zi-o, who simply by existing, makes the previous riders retroactively never have existed, to the point of their name's changing. That better? I don't think that's better. then again I am a Decade defender.

I don't think it's better either. But if the ultimate goal is to make Decade/Zi-O the "potential antagonist" having him actively ruining older Riders makes more sense than Decade's ambiguous "I'll destroy the world thing".

It's tough, because how do you tell a nostalgia story post-Gokaiger and Decade? When you've milked that nostalgia teat dry and it hasn't even been 10 years since Decade?

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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by resop2 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:09 pm

I might wind up watching this since it is such a enormous train wreck.

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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by Sinkuu » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:48 pm

all I know is 3 eps in, and we're down 2 riders.... even if Ex-Aid takes us to ep 4... unless we start hitting decade and the first 10 years, that's still only 40 eps, MAX.

and I thought Ex-Aid and Build burned out fast... sheesh. This doesn't bode well. ffs, hold off on dumping clocks (and wasting guest appearances) on the kid off the bat!!!!

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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by takenoko » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:22 pm

Wait what? Are you from the future too?

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Post by Catastrophe » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:11 am

Builds plot was always going to be the most difficult to incorporate, but they still managed to fuck it up. You shouldn't need these .5 episodes to say 'lol we can't be bothered doing this properly so don't think about it'.

I didn't really like Gokaiger that much, mostly because I'm not a super huge Sentai fan. At least they put thought into the crossover episodes. I would have thought after Decade they'd attempt to do this correctly. Why bother hyping up Zi-O, Geiz, Build and Cross-Z fighting alongside each other if the latter 2 get depowered almost instantly?

The time travel makes this more confusing than it needs to be. Another Build was made in 2017, causing Build to lose his powers. But we're meant to believe that Another Build rampaged for almost a full year before being killed?

The acting is kind of wooden. Build made an excellent decision of casting a series of actors that had experience and it really showed.

Also, Tsukuyomi has the flimsiest motivation for not wanting to kill Zi-O. Geiz is the only character with his head on straight. He reminds me of Ren from Ryuki. Episode pacing is shit as well. They should have done a 2 episode intro arc for the main characters before jumping into the Another Rider stuff.

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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by njb » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:36 am

I've been thinking, what if the Timejackers' names are time themed? Wool could be Uhr instead (clock in German), and
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Re: KR Zi-O 02 released

Post by RangerJustify » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:39 am

Two episodes in and I can tell this is a train wreck in the making. After all the work that Ex-Aid and Build's writers put in to making Build fit in continuity, this show comes and effs it right up with its ridiculous time travel mechanics. Even Den-O did time travel better. News flash!! If you remove any Kamen Rider's actions from history, then 2018 will NOT be at piece!!! I'll go without this show until the team up movie is subbed in September 2019. Marathoning it may make tolerating it go better.

ADDENDUM: I looked up the head writer of Zi-O and it is Kento Shimoyama... the head writer for the bafflingly bad Super Sentai entry known as Shuriken Sentai Ninninger. Train Wreck understood! At this point, I don't even know if I'll even acknowledge this show's existence.

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