KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

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KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by takenoko » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:26 am

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Just some thoughts here since we'll probably be releasing these with this week's episode.

First, it really feels like Toei saw Deadpool and thought they'd try breaking the fourth wall and lamp shading some of the predicted fan reactions to their creative decisions. But it comes off as lazy writing to me? I mean, I still don't know what the fuck a Cross-Z is supposed to be. Just because Toei pulls it out of its ass doesn't mean fans have to like it.

Second, some of these details feel like they should appear in the main episodes? You shouldn't require people to buy DLC to understand how your god damn story works. That's pretty dumb?

I mean, I guess "shut up, it's a show for kids" is a viewpoint that you can take. But still?

What do you guys think?

Edit: Also, isn't it super lame to name him Zi-O because of 20? You already have Kamen Rider ZO who was named because it was supposed to be the Kamen Rider 20th anniversary work (it actually got delayed 2 years so it missed the 20th anniversary). Keep ripping off ideas from your past, Toei.

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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by HowlingSnail » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:43 pm

2.5 is a massive fuck you to the audience. Well sorry Toei, but I'd quite like the plot of my shows to actually make sense. They still haven't acknowledged how the hell they can go back to the skywall timeline when they merged the timelines at the end of Build.

This is looking to turn out like another Decade. Only this time the practice of not caring about the show making any sense is apparently intentional.
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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by Lunagel » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:58 pm

Is this gonna be like pay-to-win? Pay to understand our needlessly complex children's show? What percentage of kids actually managed to convince their parents to get a TTFC subscription so they can figure out this stuff?

Sorry you can't enjoy your show! Should've given us more money!

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Post by HowlingSnail » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:31 pm

Lunagel wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:58 pm
Is this gonna be like pay-to-win? Pay to understand our needlessly complex children's show? What percentage of kids actually managed to convince their parents to get a TTFC subscription so they can figure out this stuff?

Sorry you can't enjoy your show! Should've given us more money!
It's not like they're really explaining things anyway. Just telling us that we shouldn't care, which isn't what your writing philosophy should be.
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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by takenoko » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:38 pm

Honestly, Toei should use these .5 bits to tell side stories to make their characters more likable. Using it to explain stuff THAT SHOULD BE IN THE EPISODE and then to lamp shade questions and criticisms with "a wizard did it" or "shut up, nerd, stop overthinking it" is probably the worst thing they can be doing.

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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by Conan_Edogawa » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:49 pm

takenoko wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:26 am
Edit: Also, isn't it super lame to name him Zi-O because of 20? You already have Kamen Rider ZO who was named because it was supposed to be the Kamen Rider 20th anniversary work (it actually got delayed 2 years so it missed the 20th anniversary). Keep ripping off ideas from your past, Toei.
I could be way off base, but I feel like the name is meant as a multi-layered pun. you get the obvious connection to 20 like ZO had, but with how Zi-O is pronounced "jee-oh" I get the impression they were going for "the ou" as in "the king"

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Post by takenoko » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:10 pm

Right, Zi-O/Jii-Oh means Time King. But Zi-O is supposed to look like 20 since it's the 20th Heisei Kamen Rider series. There's already a Kamen Rider ZO, so they tried spelling it slightly differently, which makes it look less like the number 20.

Wouldn't "The King" be "Zaa Oh"?

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Post by Lunagel » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:55 pm

You can do either ji or za for the. Most of the time when I see "the end" they pronounce it as "ji endo".

https://www.englishclub.com/pronunciation/the.htm

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I like the reference to Bill Gates =D

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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by Catastrophe » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:18 am

Should expect this shit from the hack that wrote Nininnger. I thought the lame specials that were in the Blu-Rays were bad, but this is worse.

2.5 special frustrates me greatly. I know it's a children's toy selling show, but it shouldn't be that difficult to write a competent plot for an anniversary series. Saying 'We couldn't be bothered to do this properly, so don't worry' is a real kick in the pants.

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Post by SVNBob » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:28 am

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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by Kurokage X » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:37 am

What the fuck is this? Seriously what is this? Don't ask questions? Man this whole thing is asking us to ask questions and cry and get angry and have all sorts of negative emotions on people just getting something that should be simple and placed in the series only to be in somewhere else and people have to pay for answers which is not present.

It's like Shirakura is anticipating that we would have issues and is using this thing as a way to say too bad to the audience. Or was he watching too much Deadpool and wants to use this to air his real statements without getting fired? Or is it a way to get the actors to let out hidden grievance about the character names and other stuff while staying in character? I got no clue
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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by Dark Ren » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:03 am

This is really frustrating. The 2.5 should be explained in the episodes, man. Not everyone watch the supplementary plan. We don't need a DLC to complete the game.

Anyway, about the 1.5, is it a coincidence that Geiz mention about his name maybe from German? Because I read somewhere that Wool's name is actually clock / watch in German (Uhr). I do some googling and maybe Aura is from present (Ora / Italian) or hour (Hora / Spanish). Maybe they will explain that in xx.5 after that purple guy appears. I wonder why you pick Wool and Aura as their name in your subs, though.

And it's pretty unusual of you to put 3-lines sub (at 1.5). It feels so crowded, though. Maybe make them smaller to be a 2-lines would be good, like at 2.5. Just a suggestion, though

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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by Lunagel » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:19 am

Dark Ren wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:03 am

And it's pretty unusual of you to put 3-lines sub (at 1.5). It feels so crowded, though. Maybe make them smaller to be a 2-lines would be good, like at 2.5. Just a suggestion, though
Qc made that suggestion but takenoko nixed it XP

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Re: KR Zi-O 1.5-2.5 released

Post by kangchan » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:19 am

I don't know why we need these eps like them, look likes trash side-episodes wrote by Kento.

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