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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by takenoko » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:46 am

Hey, happy birthday, Barim! Yeah, sorry for the delays, there wasn't any real reason for it. Onore video games!

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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Leonite Rider » Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:18 am

Logging in to comment on the movie? But of course.

Anyway, the movie. My biggest disappointment wasn't Haruto popping off halfway through. By that point I was thinking "SHT pretends to be about that year's Super Hero Time, when it really isn't." Case in point, our closest thing to main characters are Gai (A Gokaiger), Geki (A Metal Hero) and Youko (A Go-Buster)... and if you want to go into technicals, Nitou as he's probably the Kamen Rider with the most screen time, despite being gone for most of the first act. As someone who watches the Kamen Rider side almost exclusively... Gai was what kept me watching the movie.

While I liked the movie, I felt some major missed opportunities were in this movie. They were...

- Shadow Moon is in this movie and fully voiced. You have Kamen Riders and Sentai alike showing up as allies. If that is the case, why oh why don't you have Black RX show up to fight Shadow Moon? Especially as this is implied to be that Shadow Moon, not Tsukikage from the Decade movie

-Skydian and Groundian go through the whole movie and never end up encountering Fourze. Despite it seeming like this is post the movie. Would've been funny for them to spot one another and go "Oh not you again!"

-Wizard popping off for half the movie, while understandible, also makes no sense. What was he doing the whole time? Getting the Miracle and Super Sentai rings?
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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by takenoko » Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:24 am

Yeah, it's those little moments that define these kinds of moments. The examples you point out are wasted opportunities, for sure. Although I kind of understand the reasoning with the Kyoudains, since they were primarily antagonists (who already died) the last time they met Fourze. With no explanation for how they were brought back, it's probably just easier to say these were a different pair of Kyoudains.

I don't think we'll ever get a good explanation for Wizard's absence other than "He has a plan" AKA, we need to give the spotlight to other characters in the movie.

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Post by WannaFantaMan » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:17 am

This was better then the first one overall IMO. I also loved how Beet J Stag just randomly showed up when KyouryuGold came out of no where. But my favorite part had to be the partial time paradox when Kotoha showed up with her Gaven clone in the middle of the movie. I was really expecting one of them to go, "HEY, YOU LOOK JUST LIKE ME! HAVE WE MET BEFORE???" that would have been kinda funny. Also, after the credits, I was basically like, "OTHER ONE!?!?!? This is soooo starting to get old." Other then that, it was awesome. Oh and Psykoron WAS SO FUCKING ADORABLE!!!!!!!
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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Galada » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:43 am

It's definetly better than Super Hero Taisen, but... It's basically the same thing, with a weird story with just a handful of characters from different shows together then they face the crossover of villains and then they call up all heroes together for no reason. While the story part is slightly better, the super hero reunion comes from freaking nowhere, and isn't made as cool like the other movie. It's really underwhelming indeed. And besides Gavan, the metal heroes are underused as well. And Kikaider at the end means they'll do it another time, right? Sigh. Well, while isn't as bad as it's predecessor, this movie is still bad. Didn't enjoyed it pretty much.I didn't even liked the We're brothers remix. But while we're on it: where Wizard got those rings in the end? Where Gavan got those Metal Hero Keys (also, JIRAYA FUCK YEAH)? From where Gai and that Shinkenger girl came from? Agh, my head hurts.

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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Kamen_Rider_Shiki » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:18 pm

I guess I'll comment on the one thing no one else did.

How is it that Gavan had Metal Hero Keys and knew to give them to the Gokaiger? Also, was that Metalder at the end? Are they hinting to a Metalder movie next time?
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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Catastrophe » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:44 pm

This okay I guess. I think the hype of the massive clusterfuck crossover has worn off and it really doesn't do anything for me because they focus on the most recent characters, and my favourite ones don't get to do anything.

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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Galada » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:57 pm

Kamen_Rider_Shiki wrote:I guess I'll comment on the one thing no one else did.

How is it that Gavan had Metal Hero Keys and knew to give them to the Gokaiger? Also, was that Metalder at the end? Are they hinting to a Metalder movie next time?
I commented on that on my post just right before yours. And in the wiki and in some posts before they say it's Kikaider, not Metalder.

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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Alessar » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:15 pm

Leonite Rider wrote:-Wizard popping off for half the movie, while understandible, also makes no sense. What was he doing the whole time? Getting the Miracle and Super Sentai rings?
Oh. That would make sense. I thought he was just hanging out eating donuts the whole time, trying to come up with a plan.

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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by CityHunter » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:04 pm

So is this movie cannon or non-cannon?

I thought Super Sentai and Kamen Rider universe were suppose to be separate? Or are they merging them into the same universe now?

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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Phoenix512 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:34 pm

Just assume it's non-canon.
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Post by jolly_old_saint » Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:38 pm

I'm pretty sure he was asking if Cannonball the old New Mutant was somehow involved. Unfortunately, no. And despite the Z, this film has not one Xabungle or Gundam X. Its a travesty. Having declared this, still a much better travesty than the last one. Partially for lack of timeslot jokes, mostly because they didn't "yadda yadda yadda" the mid-movie interest-drawing showdown. And entirely because of the much-too-late irony of Decade being half-assedly played by another actor. At last a full circle, as if it could end any other way for Dick...they tried shooting him in the face, they tried hijacking several other films into being remakes of his movie. But none of it worked because this was how it had to be. Its beautiful in an unsightly sort of way.

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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by XerBlade » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:05 pm

CityHunter wrote:So is this movie cannon or non-cannon?

I thought Super Sentai and Kamen Rider universe were suppose to be separate? Or are they merging them into the same universe now?
"Canon" with one 'n'.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/canon

Two 'n's would be that thing that somehow revived the final boss through some sort of MAGIC SCIENCE team up.
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Never really watched Gokaiger, so can anyone tell me this? Is Gokai Silver some kind of ascended fanboy or something?
He's not just some ascended fanboy, he's the ascended fanboy.

On the topic of Gai, I kept half expecting to see him wake up next to Youko after a scene transition or roll around on the ground screaming like a lunatic for the whole movie. It's always been hard to take him seriously, but that is just compounded the more things he brings his absolutely horrible acting into (thus assuring he will always be readily available for future tokusatsu projects, lol).
jolly_old_saint wrote:I'm pretty sure he was asking if Cannonball the old New Mutant was somehow involved. Unfortunately, no. And despite the Z, this film has not one Xabungle or Gundam X. Its a travesty. Having declared this, still a much better travesty than the last one. Partially for lack of timeslot jokes, mostly because they didn't "yadda yadda yadda" the mid-movie interest-drawing showdown. And entirely because of the much-too-late irony of Decade being half-assedly played by another actor. At last a full circle, as if it could end any other way for Dick...they tried shooting him in the face, they tried hijacking several other films into being remakes of his movie. But none of it worked because this was how it had to be. Its beautiful in an unsightly sort of way.
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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Barim » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:10 pm

Was a great watch and a good use of characters.

Having Shelly do one of her previous Sentai roles was great, but it made me expect Fukami Gou to show up to aid Geki, yet he did not... They even baited it by only having the core Gekirangers show up to help someone else, making you wonder where Purple is, only for him not to show up...

Also, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai and Metal Hero main characters, with Inazuman and Kyodain cameos, were any other series represented I forgot or did not notice?
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Re: Super Hero Taisen Z released

Post by Go-On Macaroni » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:15 pm

XerBlade wrote:but that is just compounded the more things he brings his absolutely horrible acting into (thus assuring he will always be readily available for future tokusatsu projects, lol).
Junya Ikeda can go a lil over-the-top but, I wouldn't call him "horrible".

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