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KR Wizard 50 released

Post by takenoko » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:43 am

Wiki: http://wiki.tvnihon.com/wiki/Kamen_Rider_Wizard_50

Something I like about this episode is Yamamoto's reaction to everything. While guys all around him are saying "We've got to save Koyomi!" he's like "Why?". And that makes a lot of sense. Where are Haruto and Nitou getting this unfounded belief that they can save Koyomi, when they're nowhere near as educated in magic as Fueki?

Huh... so I guess Gremlin is the last boss? Sort of seems like a cheap way of killing off Fueki and Koyomi and artificially extending the story an episode. Gremlin is a weak last boss since he has no story relevance. It just seems like a super odd choice.

Still, I have to admit some of the decisions made in these last few episodes. Beast losing the ability to transform in the last episode was amazingly good. It also seems pretty ballsy to kill off Koyomi and white mage like that. Also, the white mage versus Wizard fight was one that we were all waiting for. Hurray for double rider kicks.

Something I didn't pick up on before is that, yeah, white mage did give Haruto all the spells he had. Since as white mage/Wiseman, he was giving those magical stones to Wajima. The one exception to this being the Infinity Ring.

Also, seems like a waste that they didn't have a scene of Wajima suffering during the Sabbath, dying from the ring that he made for Fueki.

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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by Lunagel » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:48 am

I couldn't really pay attention to the rest of this episode because I was too pissed off at Koyomi's death speech. Not cause it was a bad death speech, it was pretty standard and generic. But most of this show, we've been shown that when Koyomi runs out of magical energy, that's it. There's no lingering thing going on, she just collapses and acts like she's dead. And now that the source of her magical energy is forcibly ripped away from her, she gets a 3 minute death speech? Bullshit!

Yeah, Gremlin's a lame choice for final boss. If he uses the Philosopher's Stone to become human, isn't it a moot point anyway? Is he going to go rampage around the city? He never seemed really interested in attacking people before this, what's going to change to make him suddenly go crazy now? Or is half the episode just going to be epilogue?

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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by takenoko » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:02 am

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Perhaps some long-haired beauty will set him off.

Other things that struck me as weird in this episode, Yamamoto was set up to be a father just like Fueki. So it seems weird for him to give the "Koyomi should be dead" speech. It'd probably have sounded better from Mayu, who can then express bitterness over the way Fueki double-killed her older sister.

Oh man, this stuff about retrieving a lost life and that being forbidden is reminding me of Full Metal Alchemist again.

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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by Phoenix512 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:13 pm

That picture reminds of the Chimera from FMA. Anyway, I thought it was funny that Yuzuru pushes Shunpei out of the way and embraces Nitou. So the White Mage knew Infinity was the one thing that could defeat him even though he managed to defeat it as Wiseman at one point. I'm surprised that Fueki didn't transform into Wiseman after Gremlin destroyed his Driver. The argument about saving Koyomi I would give is that the Koyomi we know now isn't the same Koyomi that Fueki knew. The Koyomi that Fueki knew has been dead but the current Koyomi has her own life now and different enough to warrant to continue living.

I would bet that the Philosopher's Stone will make Gremlin crazier somehow and forget about his dream of becoming human. As Koyomi getting to live for a few minutes longer after the Stone was removed, I would chalk that up to residual magic.
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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by takenoko » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:28 pm

Apparently that's what the picture is supposed to be. I thought it was jus Sadako as a dog, which I think is funnier.

I don't think Wiseman has any real powers since he's just an artificial Phantom. His true power is probably only when he's in his mage form.

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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by Yaiba » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:08 am

They better not revive Koyomi in the next episode.

The fight with white mage is good. I'm satisfied if that's the final boss fight. If not for Gremlin popping up randomly this can actually be a pretty good final episode.
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Post by butyoumight » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:41 pm

takenoko wrote: I don't think Wiseman has any real powers since he's just an artificial Phantom. His true power is probably only when he's in his mage form.
I agree with this assessment, which also drives my reasoning behind being okay with the 'twist' with Gremlin being the one to kill him: For all the terrible stuff Fueki's done in the name of his very selfish hope, at the end of the day, he's still human. Haruto having to kill him (as really, what else would have stopped him from trying to revive Koyomi at any cost?) would have had Haruto crossing a line. He's done some questionable things, but he's also still human, and he's not a murderer. To keep our hero from becoming one, they needed a 'monster' to do it.
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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by Phoenix512 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:52 pm

I completely forgot to mention this but there was a callback to episode 1 when Haruto henshined into Flame Dragon at the beginning of the episode. Back in episode 1, Haruto did a similar henshin when we first saw him fight.
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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by Arigomi » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:02 pm

I was a little weird when the battle between Haruto and Fueki started out as a classic Kamen Rider brawl with hand-to-hand combat. It's like watching Gandalf and Sarumon punching each other instead of using magic as their opening moves.
takenoko wrote:I don't think Wiseman has any real powers since he's just an artificial Phantom. His true power is probably only when he's in his mage form.
I'm under the impression that Wiseman's power is just to create magic crystals. The White Mage form wouldn't be able to do much without rings to cast spells.

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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by butyoumight » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:26 am

Arigomi wrote:
takenoko wrote:I don't think Wiseman has any real powers since he's just an artificial Phantom. His true power is probably only when he's in his mage form.
I'm under the impression that Wiseman's power is just to create magic crystals. The White Mage form wouldn't be able to do much without rings to cast spells.
Excellent catch/point. Considering the "Wiseman" Phantom is actually the "Carbuncle" Phantom as stated by Fueki. Carbuncle, the mythological creature, is known for having a mystical jewel of some sort mounted in its head.
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Post by StereotypeAsian » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:18 am

You guys forgetting the episode where Wiseman sucked Haruto dry in Infinity form? And he killed Medusa in Wiseman form, so I'd day Wiseman has some power, just not as powerful. Kinda like W's whole driver-memory vs using-it-raw thing.

I had a pool since the first episode that Koyomi will die. Now I hope this whole formula will die. It was emotional in W, pretty good in OOO, stupid in Fourze, and now just needs to die.

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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by Gottis » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:34 am

Yeah, I called Koyomi dying back in episode one as well. (Her or Shunpei, but my money was on her.) And I'm still bitter that Kengo was returned to life, he deserves better than a cheap trick like that, so here's to hoping that Koyomi stays dead. Anyway.

I don't know. I like Gremlin, and I'm glad to see he's the final boss. Fueki just disgusts me - which probably makes him a great villain - so I'm glad to see him go and that he got the 'final boss' title stolen from him.

I feel that Yamamoto's anger was completely justified, and he is a little bit like Fueki (or any parent) that his own child comes first. His child and his wife. He doesn't want to get involved because of them and because of himself, so he says 'screw it'. I don't know, I'm not good at explaining my thoughts, but it makes sense to me?
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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by OOOKaiser » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:56 am

Loved this episode. I didn't know what to feel when I saw Koyomi and Fueki die. All I know is the final battle better be good.

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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by MadCow » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:05 am

Nice to see they went with classic rider kick finisher, would have been a great boss fight if not for Gremlin's gambit. Not even sure how that works -- he took a stab right through the torso similar to how Medusa went down.

But the final boss being Gremlin... is going to be anticlimactic. Unless the philosopher's stone turns him into some giant world-destroying monster that requires Chimera to return to Nitou and team up with Haruto to take down, which somehow I doubt will happen.

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And from the preview it looks like Koyomi is very likely to come back... but perhaps not physically but more of a Nadeshiko kind, perhaps?

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Re: KR Wizard 50 released

Post by DaVinci030 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:09 am

OOOKaiser wrote:Loved this episode. I didn't know what to feel when I saw Koyomi and Fueki die. All I know is the final battle better be good.
Me too. It's pretty sad. :(
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Preview: So Gremlin is the only one left with that Philosopher's Stone. It's very powerful for Gremlin. What if Wizard must finish the final battle. and what about Koyomi?
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