why is kamen rider changing tones?

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Re: why is kamen rider changing tones?

Post by Dengar » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:32 pm

I still don't equate a high body count to a good series, nor is it any indication of seriousness. I'm not so sadistic that I like to watch people die.

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Re: why is kamen rider changing tones?

Post by Kamen Rider Raven » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:07 pm

Honestly, the thing about Gaim, IMO is that it seems much, MUCH more willing to show that there are consequences. That being a Kamen..er...Armored Rider isn't all fun and games. The plot is pretty dark compared to even Wizard last year. Take Yuuya for instance. If it were any other series, there would be a chance he would turn up alive, albeit perhaps under enemy control somehow. There's that hope. In Gaim it's "You know that guy you've been looking for? Well, he's dead. He's deader than dead. Not only is he dead, but you killed him in the first episode. Good Job!"

Yes, it's still a kids show in the end, but it's pretty dark. And that's without a high body count, which is pretty impressive. (Unless you count all those Inves.....)
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Re: why is kamen rider changing tones?

Post by meljta » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:25 am

i've only watched until the episode 16 but it's clear that this Kamen rider is the darker than we have seen since the last 7
Even in all of these no longer kill the bad guy only defeat him and returned to being human
But from what I've read on the episodes come this becomes darker increasingly, as were the Kamen rider of before..
I believe that this type of series you need the guide to the parents if the child sees it because there are many things that need to be explained to them
But even the Kamen rider softer had their moments in which they need an adult
Of course never seen this type of series of this side of the ocean, here the super heroes never die and they make them believe to children that anything is possible and that the actions have no consequences
i watch at these series with my children (they love it), in the first place because they don't understand English and i have to translate what they say and secondly to explain some important aspects, you will be able to remove many good lessons from these series
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Re: why is kamen rider changing tones?

Post by Bomyne » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:40 pm

I wouldn't say KR is getting lighter. Sentai is, definitely... but Kamen Rider has it's dark tones. I'll give examples. (warning spoilers)

Kamen Rider Gaim. Featured the deaths of Hase and Takatora. It also showed Sid getting brutally crushed. The world has gone to hell, literally. The Inves are capturing people and draining their life force to revive the overlord queen. The United States launched a massive missile attack on Japan, notably the city the series takes place in. Kouta's best friend has been trying to kill him since episode 28. He killed his own brother and is just getting darker and darker.

Kamen Rider Wizard. Every monster that our two heroes killed was born from a dead innocent. The White Wizard tried to use Haruto and the 3 Mages to destroy the world, just so he can bring his daughter back to life. Wizard is perhaps the darkest of the lot because unlike W, OOO, Fourze and Gaim, There was a real chance of Wizard being killed by his own powers... of Dragon being born into the real world. Koyomi died... or rather, died permanently.

Kamen Rider Fourze is the one i least consider dark... but it had it's dark elements too. Gentarou died. Not only was he killed. He was killed by the secondary rider.

Kamen Rider OOO... I think the death of Ankh counts as a death for this series... but the series didn't have too many dark moments.

Kamen Rider W... I don't know if i'd call it dark... just serious. It didn't have the silly aspects of Fourze, or the dark tones of Wizard and Gaim. But i think W is one of the best shows i have watched, second only to Gaim and Wizard.

I started watching with Decade so i can't judge the shows prior to Decade.

All Kamen Rider shows are considered kids shows in Japan... but if they were released in the west unaltered, Wizard and Gaim would probably get a PG or Teen rating.

Something i do want to comment on is fruit. When i first read about Gaim i called him the fruity samurai as an insult.... I thought the idea was childish and just plain lame. I'm sure i'm not the only one. But now, 39 episodes and one movie later... and I consider Gaim's fruity theme to be an awesome choice. I don't consider the fruit theme lame anymore.
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Re: why is kamen rider changing tones?

Post by Dengar » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:04 pm

I knew from the start most people just get used to the fruit theme.

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Re: why is kamen rider changing tones?

Post by dancercotillion » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:22 am

Haruto was never, ever in danger of being overwhelmed by Dragon, though. When he goes into his Underwearworld to get him to chip in for the Dragon forms, Dragon insinuates that eventually Haruto will succumb to despair, but Haruto's retort works out to "I want to have the power to save people, and so long as you're here, I have that power". Haruto may be everyone else's final hope, but Dragon is his.

Yet another strike against how Wizard was run. Danger? Suspense? Not on this series!
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Re: why is kamen rider changing tones?

Post by darkmage02 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:34 pm

For me, it's listed like this:

Dark KR series:

- Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade

Lighter KR series:

- Den-O, Fouze

Balanced mix of both:

- Hibiki (hated the 2nd half though), Kabuto, Kiva, Decade (f*king mess), W, OOO, Wizard, Gaim (the best in this category)

KR series, in general, are a mix of both comedic and dark moments, but for me, some series lean more towards one or the other. Hence the way I categorised the dark and lighter ones. The ones I categorised as mixed are those who have a good balance of both. Many may disagree, but I do not consider Gaim to be a dark series. It is the darkest post Blade, but had enough comedic elements interspersed that makes it a balanced mix. Though, like I mentioned many times in other posts, Gaim handles the shift of tones so damn well.

Also, having deaths does not automatically made a KR series dark. A lot of other things have to be put in consideration. Kuuga and Agito are probably the most brutal of them all. The way people were killed are quite gruesome for a kid's show (anyone remember the Grongi who cut a woman into half on the park beside her boyfriend/husband? Sick. Also, the final battle betwen Kuuga and the main villain got from exchanging blows in their Henshin-ed form to punching each other to death in their human form, with blood spewing everywhere).

I personally love the dark category most and wish they make more like those listed, but with the recent societal trend I know it's highly unlikely they'll ever go down that road again. However, I'm more than happy if they make more series like Gaim, who handles the "mix" so efficiently.
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