Kamen Rider Taisen feat. Super Sentai Released

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I dunno, I felt like he had his closure with Kiba (plus Kiba did turn into a monster in the last part of the series). Whereas Kusaka just kind of died tragically. Plus Kusaka was just an ordinary human under the suit. Even in show. Takumi is way more horrified at discovering Kusaka's death than he is with Kiba's.
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But he actually caused Kiba's death when he Rider Kicked the Orphenoch King. So that could've lead to him being regretful over that.

Also, did anyone notice Faiz fighting one of Orphenoch from Lucky Clover? Funnily enough, the one that was hiding away with the Orphenoch King at the end of the series.
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I thought this movie was awesome. Dunno maybe i'm getting use to expect long drawn out plots and am actually enjoying them now. Dunno... I really liked this movie.

thanks for subbing it.
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You know what was a missed opportunity for this movie? Why, Fifteen vs Kamen Rider Skull.
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Finally watched the film! I was super excited for it, but now that I have watched it I'm having pretty much mixed feeling about it, thanks to the Faiz part. Sure enough, main highlight for me is seeing Takumi again (he is my fav Rider of all time) and I'm glad his role in the film was quite prominent and not some cameo (*coughs* Wizard *coughs*). His part is also the beef-iest in the entire film compared to other returning characters. However, it's full of so many jarring plotholes.

1. Kaixa's death. Really wish they did just use footages from the original series instead of recreating it. It bothers the daylights out of me throughout the entire film.

2. Autovajin. That thing was supposed to be reduced to junk metal by the Orphenorch King.

3. Even in the series, Takumi was pretty disturbed by Kusaka's death. But they weren't exactly that buddy enough that he did rather destroy the entire world just to revive him.

4. Not even a slight tinge of surprise that the girl's name is Mari, which is the same as THE Mari from the series?

5. How on earth did he manage to get into Blaster Mode without using the Faiz Blaster?

There are many other things this film did wrong, but for all it's worth, it's still pretty fun seeing some old faces.
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Yeah, the major points have pretty much been covered already. Generally a good film, nice action but with the usual problems trying to justify why all the Riders are here and why they're all fighting each other. Great to see Tsukasa and Shotaro again though, but I have officially given up on waiting for them to explain just what Narutaki's deal is! :P I haven't seen any of 555 yet but I've got it all downloaded waiting for me to get around to it - after watching Takumi in this film I might just be inspired enough to finally get started on it...

I think I've learned now not to try and rationalize everything with these big crossover movies. Best to just enjoy the little things here and there. Fifteen, whose suit does look cool. Seeing Joker again (though as much as I love him, they probably could've still used W at those points even without Philip's actor. Just have Shotaro say "Let's go, Philip" like he always did and then transform with both Memories.) All the little cartoon bikes riding by during the credits, then seeing poor Shin running along... :lol: And I will never, ever tire of Shotaro's cat impressions!


Oh yeah, one last thing: 12:24 - 12:42, Kouta grabbing Orange Arms from the air and using it as a spinning shield... pure awesomeness. Somebody needs to make a flippin' GIF of that and they need to do it right flippin' now! 8)
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But then they couldn't do the Black jokes with Joker with Philip was there as well.
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JustiFan wrote:Oh yeah, one last thing: 12:24 - 12:42, Kouta grabbing Orange Arms from the air and using it as a spinning shield... pure awesomeness. Somebody needs to make a flippin' GIF of that and they need to do it right flippin' now! 8)
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I came up with a theory that Takumi in this movie is an "alternate ver.". The creators wanted to stress that, that is why they re-shot Kusaka's death. That's also why Autovajin is still there and why Mari and Keitarou did not show up.
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If I remember correctly, the original Takumi did not want to make clothes white...that was Keitarou's dream.
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Didn't Takumi adopt Mari and Keitarou's dream in the end of the series? I feel like he said those words as one of his final things.
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Kamen Rider wrote:I came up with a theory that Takumi in this movie is an "alternate ver.". The creators wanted to stress that, that is why they re-shot Kusaka's death. That's also why Autovajin is still there and why Mari and Keitarou did not show up.
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takenoko wrote:Didn't Takumi adopt Mari and Keitarou's dream in the end of the series? I feel like he said those words as one of his final things.
Yeah in the end Takumi said he's going to make all the clothes in the world white, finally having a dream to call his own (albeit an adopted one).

I don't think this is the alt-version of Takumi, it just doesn't make sense cause every other Riders are the original version (the Black & RX thing is extremely half-assed tho) so it can't be that just Takumi's an alt. More like the creators recreate that scene so as to fit Faiz into the whole movie's storyline. I just wish they didn't.
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It's just a mild retcon to strengthen the theme in the film. Takumi says he doesn't understand why he got to survive, having nothing to live for, while passionate, driven Kusaka turned into a pile of dusty ashes. So give them a moment together rather than Takumi discovering Kusaka's corpse after or however it played out, so Kusaka could get in one final dig which haunts Takumi for a decade after.

I thought it worked pretty well.
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And really it doesn't feel like that much of a retcon in the long run. True it might have worked better if it was Kiba who was coming back, or Kiba who died despite having goals and a passion... but also Kiba wouldn't be as much of a creep and jerk trying to guilt trip Takumi into letting him come back to life at the cost of EVERY OTHER LIVING PERSON.
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I dunno. Would you say that there are more alive people now than who have died in the course of history so far? If it's a pure numbers game, maybe the greater good would be to let all the dead come back to life?
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But life is for the living. The future is for the children. You bring a bunch of dead dudes back to life you have a world of old people who already had their shot. And it's not like they'd come back to life young and able to have kids. It'd just be a world of old people with old ideas, and kids angry that they died young... and a ton of soldiers from the Civil War... and World War 1... and World War 2... And okay now my argument is falling apart cause there's a ton of people who have died at an age where in, if brought back they could have children and future generations.

That being said, it's not the time for those who died already. The dead are dead, and we can mourn them or w can leave them be. But the world is not for the dead, but for the living. Even if you don't know what you do with your life, you gotta live for tomorrow. That's the whole point of life ending, it makes the next tomorrow that so much more important.
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