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KR Gaim 42 released

Post by DaVinci030 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:41 pm

Wiki: http://wiki.tvnihon.com/wiki/Kamen_Rider_Gaim_42

Looks like Ryugen's attempting to kill himself during his last transformation!

And Ryouma, what's the deal with Chucky and Peko when you trapped him in the room?

As I thought, Mai has one red eye.
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Post by OOOKaiser » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:44 pm

Ryouma such plotting such wow. Micchy's new form is awesome even though I liked him as Zangetsu Shin better. Even though I hate him he has got to be one of the most changed characters in the show so far.

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And Kaito eats an Inves fruit and becomes an Overlord? It seems like the end of Ryouma from what I can see. WAIT A MINUTE IT LOOKS LIKE MITSUZANE MAKES UP WITH KOUTA. That was sooo unexpected.

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Post by takenoko » Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:08 am

Poor Micchi. The guy's thwarted at every turn and he's going crazy. It's bad enough that his actions are leading to his own destruction, but now he's relying on Sagara and Ryouma for advice. The old Micchi would be like "What are you doing listening to these dudes?"

Man. Yomi Yomotsuheguri Arms. What a mouthful! Interesting that Ryugen Yomi has its own slot on the Rider page on TV-Asahi and isn't a sub form of Ryugen.

So it's Ryugen Yomi: Yomotsuheguri Arms

I'm probably going to need a translator note to explain the name of Micchi's new Lock Seed. Basically, Yomi is the name of the Japanese underworld. In Shinto belief, if you go to Yomi and eat from the food there, you will never be able to leave. The name of this whole process is Yomotsuhegui (I don't know why the Arms version ends in ri). So basically, it's a slick way of saying "Once you use this Lock Seed, there's no going back. You're already among the dead."

Man. The days of Micchi and Kouta-san are long gone. It's full name dress downs from here on out.

I like the way Youko stands by Kaito in the way Mai stands by Kouta. Youko knows Kaito's just destroying himself too, but she's going to see that through to the end either way.

I guess they never found a cure for Helheim infection? Because Rat got scratched too, and he recovered. Don't tell me that it just comes down to Kaito not wanting to see a doctor.

Edit: Others get the golden apple. Micchi gets the pomegranate.

Also, no one says enough about how Zack is a solid bro. He's always there helping out, even if he isn't a great mover and shaker in this world.

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Post by butyoumight » Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:50 am

I guess they never found a cure for Helheim infection? Because Rat got scratched too, and he recovered. Don't tell me that it just comes down to Kaito not wanting to see a doctor.
To be fair
-Most of the Helheim infections were caused by people scratched by average Helheim-bred Inves
-Rat was scratched by Inves!Hase when he was still phase-shifting between fully Inves and at least partially human. That might possibly have something to do with why Rat didn't end up with the vine-growing infection.
-And Kaito, of course, wasn't scratched so much as actively poisoned by an Overlord. I doubt there is a cure on Earth that would work on Kaito, and if anyone had to knowledge to try to figure it out, well. That would be Ryouma, and it's pretty clear Kaito has no intention of ever trusting Ryouma, so.

That's my take on it, anyway!
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Post by Phoenix512 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:34 pm

The Greek Underworld has a similar legend about eating the fruit there with Persephone. It's interesting that you mention pomegranate since that was the seed she ate while in the Greek Underworld and became forever tied into it.

Sagara is the avatar of Helheim itself. Good job Micchi for allowing both Ryouma and Sagara to manipulate you like that.
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Post by Arigomi » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:04 am

I rolled my eyes as Kaito went back to his tired arguments about the strong and the weak.

Youko's decision to stay with Kaito does not work for me. It would be different if she actually believed in Kaito's goal but she has reservations. I find it really disappointing since she is just repeating the same mistakes she made with Ryouma instead of struggling to find her own conclusions. Youko took the easy way out and reverted backed to the role of a follower.

I suspect that Micchi claims to be protecting Mai because he believes in a ridiculous fantasy that Mai with be grateful for all that he has done.

Is Ryouma is lying about actually performing surgery to take the Golden Fruit? On one hand, he is arrogant enough to try it despite the potential danger. On the other hand, he is smart enough to know that Helheim designed the First Woman scenario to prevent people from simply taking the Golden Fruit.

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Post by takenoko » Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:04 am

I dunno. In a show designed around characters and their flaws, it seems to make sense that Youko would follow her character traits till the bitter end. Heck, she didn't even leave Ryouma till he outright betrayed her. At least in Kaito's case, he's still a man of conviction. He may not ultimately have what's best for the group in mind anymore as she thought he did, but she's always said that she's interested in seeing how the strong live out their lives.

Probably right about the Micchi thing.

Ryouma is 100% lying about the surgery to get the Golden Fruit. I'll guarantee it.

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Re: KR Gaim 42 released

Post by OOOKaiser » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:58 am

Well its Mai's choice now to decide who gets the golden fruit so Ryouma can't do anything about it.

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Post by daburuwosagase » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:02 pm

Micchi this episode was pretty great. More than Mai herself, he's been obsessed with his ideal Mai who needed protection, doing whatever he could to protect that ideal of his. He's finally realized that he really had no reason to fight, but despite that he knows he's irredeemable and thus decides to discard his life instead. Yomotsuheguri looks cooler than I expected with that wine red.

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Post by ViRGE » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:14 am

OOOKaiser wrote:Well its Mai's choice now to decide who gets the golden fruit so Ryouma can't do anything about it.
Well he can be the first (and only) person she sees when she comes-to. That offers plenty of opportunity for manipulation.

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Post by ChelseaChampion » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:42 am

Certainly a WTF awkward moment for Zack to be escorting Kouta's sister all of a sudden. I wonder what kinda conversation they had at the cafe
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Post by dancercotillion » Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:34 pm

Only the purple medals could defeat another Greeed? Huh, weird! I guess my memories of TaJaDor beating the holy piss out of Dr. Maki in the finale are a fever dream!

Anyway, I thought it was a great twist to explain Sagara's motivations by having him be Helheim incarnate. Now, so much makes sense about that guy, and things become even more chilling when you reflect on his actions throughout the series, first as the DJ commentating on Beat Rider rankings to get these kids willing to fight one another in a repeatedly-escalating arms race, then manipulating Yggdrasil as a weird consultant, to directly interfering and handing out nuggets of plastic and information. The truest adversary this series has is the smarmy middle-aged dude who wears tight shirts and board-shorts and sometimes a carpet.
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Post by Catastrophe » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:12 pm

I would have liked this evil lockseed better if it was given to him by an overlord. Not really buying this prototype crap. Then again, Ryouma may be lying about that as well.

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Post by DracusDemonica » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:25 pm

There is basically no explanation to how or why Yomotsuheguri Arms is equal to Kiwami Arms. Ryouma basically just pulls it out of a desk in a RANDOM HOSPITAL and says "Hey this is an evil lockseed that will most likely kill you. Good luck killing Kouta!" I'm all for power ups and Ryugen Yomi looks amazing but at least give us a decent explanation about where it comes from. I mean when I heard about it last week I was thinking either Sagara gave it to him or he somehow got it from Ryudues corpse. That would of been interesting.

Sorry about the little rant. Anyway Kaito reminds us again that he doesn't care about saving the world. Takatora is still haunting Michii, thats a nice touch, and apparently Mai is the First Woman. I wonder how they will play this out.
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Post by Kogashi » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:26 pm

So instead of the first woman being Eve, it's that one of the not really a rule rules is that the awarding of the Golden Fruit has to line up with the major creation myth of the world infected... And Sagara is symbolically the Snake that points the hapless lifeforms towards what would destroy or save them, and literally the invading force that threatens all... Micchi has eaten the dark grape kiwi whatever fruit that ax-pole arm comes from fruit from the world of darkness, and Ryouma is still a manipulative bastard.

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