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Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by njb » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:07 pm

I think that like Kyouryuuger, Ghost hasn't been well received for the same reasons:
  1. The opening few episodes were set on fast-forward. There was completely no pacing in the story.
  2. The suits were more colorful than average (especially Carnival). Opponents look more cartoon-y too.
  3. Many arcs were introduced here and there, leading to many dangling strings that are often not properly closed.
  4. Character development was either rushed or non-existent (except for Alain, I guess).
  5. The most important one: suits keep on getting reused. Some kaijin keep on reviving and simply refuse to die.
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Re: Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by takenoko » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:15 pm

I don't know, since I haven't seen Ghost. But I must have gone against the grain with Kyou, since I really enjoyed that series.

Just going off poll data, it doesn't seem like Kyou was that bad. It's lower than other Sentai series, but it's still higher than Bouken and Toqger, which were both good series in their own rights:

Boukenger 4.09 (44 votes July 22, 2015)
Go-Onger 3.7 (46 votes July 10, 2015)
Go-Busters 4.08 (63 votes August 18, 2015)
Kyouryuuger 4.02 (48 votes August 18, 2015)
Toqger 3.59 (58 votes August 18, 2015)
Ninninger 2.82 (68 votes as of February 17, 2016)

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Re: Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by Kogashi » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:33 pm

it's okay Take, I really liked Kyou as well. I liked Kyou's energy, perkiness, and good use of characters to build dynamics even as they expanded the cast... ... you know... outside of Pink for the most part... Though that's more a problem that shows up a lot in Toku shows if the writer isn't careful. And that's a difference between Kamen Rider shows and Super Sentai, least from where I sit. Sentai Shows, you do not need every character to have a full individual arc to make each one a fully fleshed out character on their own. While one or more character, often times the leader and additional rangers, can have more development or focus but the importance is more how the characters play off between each other.

A Rider show however, your characters need to be fleshed out, get arcs, and be more complex, because that Rider, or those two rival Riders, are going to be a bigger part of the show's focus. A goos sentai is rarely going to be 'Red Ranger and those others who put up with him', as everyone complained about Ninninger. And while some title Kamen Riders do not do as much to have THE central narrative or arc, you are more likely to find that, in a good Rider show, they at least influence or direct them (See Kabuto or Hibiki).

My point, in relation to the question of similarities between Ghost and Kyou, is that what makes one show bad, will not always be what makes another bad as well. That is, of course, leaving out how I disagree with the charges on the pases of Kyou had me happy, excited, and laughing along with Kyou, where as Ghost makes me want to take a power drill to my temple just to reveal the pressure of the rage that builds up against it.
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Re: Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by Go-On Macaroni » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:59 am

Kogashi wrote:A goos sentai is rarely going to be 'Red Ranger and those others who put up with him', as everyone complained about Ninninger.
Eh, every Sentai is that, though. It just felt dumb in Ninninger because of how generic everything came off but, Red's still the key star in Sentai and that hasn't changed.
Kogashi wrote:where as Ghost makes me want to take a power drill to my temple just to reveal the pressure of the rage that builds up against it.
To be fair, you know you can stop watching shows right? =V I mean in the end, this is just my 2cents there, is all.. but just getting at that if Ghost annoys you that much, then it might help to stop and come back next year (then again, Ghost's almost over so maybe this won't help as much; I dunno).

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Re: Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by Catastrophe » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:51 am

Kyouryger was well received though. It went back to being more traditional than Go-busters and was paired alongside Wizard for the first half of its run.

It is easily my favourite sentai series for reasons others have mentioned. It's high energy and seems goofy, but has some real deep plot points. Sanjo's writing was tight as fuck and the fact that he did all the episodes helped. Both the heroes and the villains had great characterisation and the pacing was great. The main complaint I here is that it focuses too much on Daigo, but I feel each character has enough time to shine. I wasn't even that hyped coming into it and at then it became the highlight of the week for me. When Gaim and it were airing at the same time, that was the best SHT lineup in years.

Ghosts problem is that it is too similar to Drive, but without the well done characterisation. The extra characters in Drive were all fun and contributed in some way, and the villains had some human aspect them for the most part that made them fun. Most of Ghosts extended cast is useless and the pacing was shit in the first quarter and seems rushed now.

I'm okay with the direction sentai is going if we get series like Kyoryu. Comparing it to Ghost however I think is not correct.

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Re: Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by Kogashi » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:51 pm

Go-On Macaroni wrote:
Kogashi wrote:where as Ghost makes me want to take a power drill to my temple just to reveal the pressure of the rage that builds up against it.
To be fair, you know you can stop watching shows right? =V I mean in the end, this is just my 2cents there, is all.. but just getting at that if Ghost annoys you that much, then it might help to stop and come back next year (then again, Ghost's almost over so maybe this won't help as much; I dunno).
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Re: Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by Catastrophe » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:05 am

I know what you mean. I've never not watched a currently airing series that I'm not enjoying so I can form a complete opinion on it.

The thing I hate the most are people that say 'X series is shit' and admit they only watched the first 7 episodes or something.

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Re: Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by Rifaz » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:05 am

I dunno about similarities, but watching Kyou feels much less a chore than Ghost.
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Re: Similarities between Ghost and Kyouryuuger?

Post by Jehal » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:54 pm

Kyouryuger was fun to watch, and that's all it tried to be. There's not much more to say about it.
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