Kaigan KR Ghost 45

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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by 453145 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:35 pm

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Victormaru wrote:This is my first time actually keeping up with an entire Kamen Rider series, and will most likely finish it. Not counting Amazons, since that was a short spin-off series. Is it just me or is Kamen Rider Ghost the worst series ever? Again, I can't tell since this is the first time I've watched an entire series. Could the plots of the previous Neo-Heisei series have been worst than this?
Lunagel wrote:Well Wizard was pretty awful
Ghost is much worse than Wizard (which I actually liked) IMO. The side characters weren't nearly as annoying & useless as Onari & them, & Wizard at least had a coherent plot. Plus, if nothing else, Wizard had great insert songs. I think Wizard's main flaw was wasted potential, but I'd say that's even more so the case with Ghost.

As for this episode, I feel like it would have been kind of good if I cared about any of the characters at all. Or understood why anything was happening...
I agree, Wizard wasn't that bad, at least his cast is active in the show. That's one of my main problems with Ghost, all the characters appear and disappear every two episodes which makes me feel something for them when they are serious, for example: Javert, Igor, Bills; these characters are supposed to be important to the plot however, they don't get developed. Instead we have useless and annoying characters: Shibuya, Narita, Kanon and Yurusen, when they have made something that actually helps? I don't remember.

Another complain that I have is that we have so many cliches that is even annoying, since Mugen's debut I hear "human potential is infinite" like every two minutes, I appreciate that they use the luminaries for this but I would like that they could say it a few times less because it becomes in a bland phrase, like when Takeru and the others say their pre-finisher phrases they sound forced because it has nothing to do with what they're doing, and I know that the other ones sound forced sometimes but they are there to make them look awesome, not philosophical.

And finally my last complain is that Takeru is becoming in "Jesus", he's becoming a perfect kid who doesn't do anything wrong that just needs to hear "Believe in yourself" or "Human potential is infinite" so he can be motivated again, that being said I think this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJPbfnnUnec could be the perfect insert song for Ghost.

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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by Victormaru » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:05 pm

chronoxiong wrote:So everyone is going to turn into Adel? What the hell has this plot become? I'm just counting this down because this show wasn't good.
I have a feeling Adel will become a good guy and Takeru will end up dying forever. Then a brand new villain or villain from a movie will return as the final boss for the very last episode and Takeru will miraculously return to defeat him / her. Watch, they're going to Kamen Rider Gaim it.
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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by ViRGE » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:39 am

453145 wrote:Instead we have useless and annoying characters: Shibuya, Narita, Kanon and Yurusen
Man, fuck Yurusen.
Victormaru wrote:Watch, they're going to Kamen Rider Gaim it.
We should be so lucky. But either way, I'm going to be surprised if we don't get an epilogue of some sort. Ever since Wizard (hey, another bad thing Wizard started!), KR has consistently had an epilogue of some sort to promote the next series, the movie, etc.

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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by Lunagel » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:54 am

ViRGE wrote:We should be so lucky. But either way, I'm going to be surprised if we don't get an epilogue of some sort. Ever since Wizard (hey, another bad thing Wizard started!), KR has consistently had an epilogue of some sort to promote the next series, the movie, etc.
Ask and ye shall receive. Ex-Aid's got a crossover with Ghost for the last two episodes

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Post by ViRGE » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:40 am

Lunagel wrote:
ViRGE wrote:We should be so lucky. But either way, I'm going to be surprised if we don't get an epilogue of some sort. Ever since Wizard (hey, another bad thing Wizard started!), KR has consistently had an epilogue of some sort to promote the next series, the movie, etc.
Ask and ye shall receive. Ex-Aid's got a crossover with Ghost for the last two episodes
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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by Phoenix512 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:12 am

Drive didn't show up in the Gaim TV series. Toei feeds off the misery of the fans.
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Post by eijiman » Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:14 am

There is something that bothers me about the cross overs, If you look at Drive's cross overs with Ghost, Ghost had a much better personality there, but the kids didn't like it so they changed it. Makes me wonder if Japanese Kids have a so different taste, that they preffer what we could call good into something worst.

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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by resop2 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:16 am

Following up on the idea that there were too many luminaries, let's say there were on seven luminaries and the producers didn't care about Dragon Ball references. This would probably free up some episodes. What plots could they have included for these episodes? Here are some of my ideas.

Early in series: Makoto reveals in a flashback what the ganma world was like, with Makoto, Aria, Kanon, and Edith having somewhat happy times. Aria and Makoto could do cosplay which Makoto pretends he doesn't like but secretly is crazy for. Then tragedy strikes as Kanon is killed by a building collapse caused by a flying sandworm. Edith is close by and saves Kanon's soul by capturing it in an eyecon. Edith then tells Makoto that he must go to earth and gather the seven dragon balls so that his wish to save Kanon will come true.

Early late season: Right after Alain's heart connects with the grunts he used to boss around, Aria confronts Adel and gets beat down for her efforts. Adel imprisons Arai but Alain finds out about it. When Adel comes to the human world to beat up Takeru, Alain sneaks back into the ganma world, righteously kicks booty, and brings Aria to earth. Adel shrugs his shoulders and admires himself in the mirror saying that he is more perfect now without Aria.

After shrine grunt one's arc: An arc for shrine grunt 2. This could be combined with Javert running into Cubi and Note and finding out they are doing well and causing Javert to ponder what he likes to do.

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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by Go-On Macaroni » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:05 pm

eijiman wrote:There is something that bothers me about the cross overs, If you look at Drive's cross overs with Ghost, Ghost had a much better personality there, but the kids didn't like it so they changed it. Makes me wonder if Japanese Kids have a so different taste, that they preffer what we could call good into something worst.
I doubt it's as much that the kids don't like it as much that the cameos are written out really early and the staff don't have everything finalized.

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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by Jehal » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:58 pm

Go-On Macaroni wrote:Takeru never joined Adel in trying to kill off all of humanity because the villain asked him nicely, so that already puts it higher than Wizard for me.
Victormaru wrote:Is it just me or is Kamen Rider Ghost the worst series ever?
Kabuto, Kiva, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade, Wizard... nah, a lot of other Rider shows beg to differ.
I have to disagree with a couple of these.
Blade may have had a slow start, but once all of the riders were introduced the series heavily picked up, and I consider it's ending one of the best of the Heisei Kamen Rider.
I know Ryuki was hit or miss with some people, but I feel it did a great job throughout the series; with the characters changing from their experiences and the directions the story takes.
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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by Rifaz » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:10 pm

The start of Adel-fication... dang, this series...
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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by eijiman » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:29 pm

I wonder what is wrong with this, I mean the last episodes are supposed to be dramatic, you should have a sense of urgency and the desire to know what is going to happen, but here, there is something amiss. We have the villain, he is powerful, he is completing his plan that could end up in the destruction of the world, but t feels like if Adel poses no bigger threat than a MOTW. Altough i think it has to do with the ambience, in Drive the last episode they were really concerned with the deadline, here everything seems to be like a regular day.

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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by Ashki » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:46 pm

MagusKaiser wrote:
Victormaru wrote:This is my first time actually keeping up with an entire Kamen Rider series, and will most likely finish it. Not counting Amazons, since that was a short spin-off series. Is it just me or is Kamen Rider Ghost the worst series ever? Again, I can't tell since this is the first time I've watched an entire series. Could the plots of the previous Neo-Heisei series have been worst than this?
try watching hibiki
Technically, Hibiki was never KR. It was pitched as its own show and Toei slotted it for the next KR because their writers were out of ideas. That's why every callsign of Kamen Rider (drivers, souped-up mashin, etc.) are missing from the series. IF you count it as KR, it was hands-down the worst. If not Drive was.

Drive was outright terrible. The only likable character was Chase until the very end when Heart and Medic became likable. Three characters, two of which are bad guys. he rest of the series had about as much character depth as Ghost, but with half the cast acting like Onari. An lets not get into the armour! :roll:
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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by Ashki » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:50 pm

chronoxiong wrote:So everyone is going to turn into Adel? What the hell has this plot become? I'm just counting this down because this show wasn't good.
I keep getting flashbacks to Red Dwarf here Rimmer got stuck on a planet an terrafrmed it populating it entirely with male (and female) clones of himself, only to be rejected anf imprisone as an abomination to the "Norms".

Min you, THAT would be a finale worth seeing... Adel becming a good guy to help stop his own clones who have rejected him...
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Re: Kaigan KR Ghost 45

Post by resop2 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:10 pm

I find it interesting that people keep dissing my favorite Kamen Rider shows.

In my opinion, Drive and Gaim are worse than Hibiki, Kiva, Kabuto, and Blade because I couldn't get through them.

Ghost is worse than Hibiki because Hibiki had better characters and it's own unique visual style.

Ghost is worse than Kabuto because even though Souji isn't better than Takeru, ALL of the minor characters of Kabuto were better.

Ghost is worse than Kiva because Kiva had better music and a well done father son theme.

I'm not sure if Blade is better than Ghost because it took a while before Blade kicked it into gear.

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