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Re: KR Brave special released

Post by Lunagel » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:40 pm

Sadly, we paid money for this

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Post by takenoko » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:49 pm

Wait, did I pay money for this one? I hope not!

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Post by Kurokage X » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:54 pm

This special, this special. I know people in a facebook group that praised this and here I am in this forum where it's despised, so now having seeing this properly I have formed my own opinion and it's not great, overrated at that Facebook group, though I do agree with them on Ex-Aid, and I agree with all of the negativity here.

Pros: Foundation X's return, maybe; it's been a while since we've seen them so it's good that Toei remembers them, or Toei's official tokusatsu fan club is why they're back and Toei thought they weren't interesting I don't know, this may be my only pro for this special
Cons: While Hiro is a Tsundere in the series, I see how he is a caring doctor despite coming off as a dick but here, he's just being a dick plain and simple and while we do have that one scene where he saves his eventual assistants, it's a one sided, or two sided in this case, respect as he just scolds them for being extra cautious, sure you're wasting time on doing something you may see as unnecessary but I'm pretty sure doctors have to run additional tests on their patients to be sure things are ok and with Hiro's attitude I don't see how he could be a reasonable or even a respected doctor or in his case a surgeon in the real world; the violence is over the top for the wrong reason; Ouja, while I do praise him being back, did felt forced out of actor's request, since Toshiki Seto, Hiro's actor is a fan of Ryuki as a kid and probably wanted to fight his favorite rider from Ryuki which is Ouja though that's just a guess; the scenes with Hiro's nurses, these are nothing more than something I would see out of a slasher movie, especially with that shower scene that's seemingly referencing Psycho and when Emu saw her running down the hallways it's like they're not even being subtle with it, ohh we have a woman in a towel, let's make Emu an immature junior high school kid

Overall: This special is just pure fanservice in addition of misogyny just to rub it in our faces.
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Post by Lunagel » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:26 pm

takenoko wrote:Wait, did I pay money for this one? I hope not!

Royal we???
This one was out of my pocket. I was considering cancelling the order for the Blu-Ray but someone else is paying for that so...

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Post by VerusMaya II » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:55 pm

I came here to decry how fetishistic this special was of the assault of women, so I'm glad to see others picked up on it too. I was terribly worried it was going to be brushed aside or justified somehow. Everything else I wanted to say has been said better so good job folks.

The Hiiro circa episode 22 I'm enjoying, as he's done a lot of growing (even if it's not the direction I expected him to develop). This Hiiro, who must be circa 1 - 15, is complete garbage.
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Post by Kurokage X » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:59 am

I heard people saying that this gave Hiro's nurses characterization, only real thing I can is characterization is that they respect him because he saved them and that they're willing to put up with how he acts toward them like Harley is to the Joker before he realises that he does love her, but the only thing that's up to memory regarding them is being attacked like I'm watching a jackass husband abusing his wife with a metal pipe & the Psypho shower scene though she at least survived
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Post by takenoko » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:24 am

Yeah, those people might need to learn the meaning of the word "characterization". Honestly, it's been a while since they last showed up. Was he really this much of a dick to them, and were they really that subservient?

I remember liking when the two pretty nurses appeared. I thought it made Hiiro seem cool and at least respectable enough to gain some groupies. But all I remember them doing is helping him with a dangerous surgery that one time. I mean, they're probably better there as eye candy than any of this "characterization" that they were given in this thing.

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Post by Kurokage X » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:40 am

I honestly believe it could have been due to the hype of Ouja returning that was causing them to be praising this special, like a newly hyped game waiting to be released only to be a shitty game in the end.

I won't lie and say I was with that hype, only I was disappointed once I got to watch it proper, didn't help that I was reading about opinions on it here beforehand
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Post by nanamarfo » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:50 pm

I enjoyed this, Ouja seems a violent sociopath(I think that would fit into some Kamen Rider series, Faiz at the top of the list) though I need to watch Ryuki.

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Post by godstriker8 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:56 pm

Maybe it's because I tempered my expectations beforehand, but I liked it. Mostly because Ouja is so enjoyable to watch, although I was upset we only got a sword vent. I find it weird to point out this special as sexist, since I think the whole series can kind of be viewed in that way. I saw the special as them paying homage to horror tropes as opposed to being intentionally sexist, and the whole 'girls that only exist to be rescued' thing can be applied to the series as a whole, as I mentioned before.

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Post by takenoko » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:16 pm

Are women really used as victims to be rescued as much in the TV series? I can definitely think of some women who needed rescuing, but the damseling also happens to guys too.

And I think someone mentioned above, but the whole horror aspect has changed with modern times. People expect different things and it's pretty popular to invert old tropes now. Just putting ladies in bathrobes to run from a killer seems a little archaic at this point. Like something that belongs in an age gone by.

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Post by Kurokage X » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:22 pm

sometimes it doesn't hurt to use a classic trope in the modern age
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Post by godstriker8 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:15 pm

I meant the Kamen Rider franchise as a whole can be seen as sexist, not Ex-aid in particular. There's rarely any female riders, and the ones that exist often die.

In most series, there's the token female that exists just to look cute, and not contribute much to the overall story. Some exceptions could be Ozawa from Agito, and Yuri from Kiva.

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Post by Mxylv » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:57 pm

While one may call this a callback to classic horror, though, I don't think it has the things that actually made the classics so great. Kind of like how I've heard people say Ex-Aid is trying to copy Gaim without realizing what made it so good, I don't think this special really understood what made the classics good. Take the comparison to Psycho, for instance:
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This special borrows directly from the most infamous shock value sequence in the original movie, but with all the artistic setup taken out. In the original, the entire first part of the movie sets up the events of the character's life and her circumstances, and it even begins to question her own sanity, before the murder. It's still far from perfect, but it added a distinction and set up the character. Here, I don't even remember any motivation for the attack, and we know virtually nothing about the nurse. She seems to be there for the sole purposes of gratuitousness and getting attacked.

As well, the original did a lot with very little. Two deaths--and zero injuries--seems like an incredibly small amount for a slasher film, but Hitchcock makes it work. The violence is minimal--I'd say less than two minutes when all put together--, and little (if any) actual cutting occurs onscreen. Most cleverly shown at the climax of the film, the primary element is the suspense, not the violence. The exploration of the house is extremely slow, sometimes even switching entirely to a different sequence, building up to the climax and being terrifying in its own right without a drop of blood.

Here, there isn't much of that. There's a bit of suspense near the beginning, but there's nothing really artistic about it. They seem to have tried to put as much violence as could be allowed into the middle third especially, and it's nearly constant pain and action from there until the end. Perhaps the relative lack of suspense is a good thing, since it probably wasn't intended as an absolute horror film, but they still seem to have sacrificed quality for quantity here.


Ultimately, I don't think the shower/bathrobe scene belonged in another era so much as it put the final nail in the coffin and effectively stated that the special couldn't think of a really intellectual way to be dark, so it went the next route it could think of. Intellectually dark shows can give a strong message with hardly a drop of blood. Here, beyond an attempted "even jerks can have a heart underneath" idea, I don't think there was a message.
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Post by VerusMaya II » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:56 pm

My issue, which Mxylv touches on in his comparison to Psycho, is that in the Brave special the camera lingers on the violence.

We had several solid seconds of Ouja smacking Satsuki(?) with the pipe, silhouetted against the wall. Then later, the shower scene took foooreeeeverrrr. Was it necessary to spend so much time showing her running her hands through her hair? She's not even washing it or anything, just stroking slowly! Her hair is clearly tangled - no conditioner! And I get that adrenaline can lead to the dulling of a pain response, but her reaction time to noticing her back just got SLASHED OPEN was a little ridiculous.
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