Was he really that likeable?

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by yumenotenshi07 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:17 am

Well. In defense of the organization, Kagami's dad does know who he is (because the crazy, creepy man knows everything?). So there is a little cheating going on there.

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I'd leave Daisuke for Tendou. In terms of hotness, Tendou is way better looking (IMO). XD

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by Tendou_Sora » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:29 am

yumenotenshi07 wrote: I'd leave Daisuke for Tendou. In terms of hotness, Tendou is way better looking (IMO). XD
I'm very agree with you here!! :lol:
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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by hisakuya » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:01 am

I also agree with that

Tendou's superiority is due the fact he literally trained each day to be a Rider as said in the 1st ep. His dedication to be rider is too great

that he did not go to school or have a job, just to train to be one.

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by Darien_Shields » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:34 am

I think with something like this opinions aren't going to be changed because... well, it's sort of like jokes. If you have to explain a joke, it isn't funny, is it? If someone didn't get it the first time, even once each individual component has been explained and they understand why it should be funny, they still can't really laugh because they didn't get it the first time. That said, I think opinions may change if, after this, we actually watched Kabuto over again. If it's possible to watch it while considering what's been said, maybe we could see it in a different light? I might try it once I get home... but for now my connection's too awful ^_^;

I think perhaps I might have liked Tendou more if it were more possible to get into the guy's head. It's hard to know what he's thinking- and I suppose that's part of the charm- but it'd make him seem more human if once and a while when nobody else was around he actually revealed his insecurities even if it was just to the viewer.

As for jeapordy and struggles, people do love an underdog. It's not as much fun to watch a foregone conclusion, which most of Tendou's fights are. Admittedly the character drama is the more interesting area of the show, but, well... I *do* watch Kamen Rider to see dudes kicking other dudes. Not that I dislike character drama, I just like it balanced with some good dude kicking.

I guess I've been harping on about this all thread, but it seems to me like there have been guys like Tendou in previous Kamen Rider series- just not the main riders. He and Kagami seem very role-reversed between the usual "main rider" and "rival". Usually the main rider is the more flawed, uncertain, human character with clear motivations who struggles to achieve his goals, while the rival is cool and aloof with hidden motivations, and ultimately acts as a mentor to the main rider. (Although I suppose one might argue that this 'role reversal' also exists in Faiz, except the rival is not a rider, but a monster)

Definitely I'd have to agree that the variety and experimentation is good for Kamen Rider as a series, and I'm more appreciative of it now. But, to get back to my original point, I guess I just didn't 'laugh' the first time.

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by hisakuya » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:57 am

In my opinion, the story projects Kagami as the main rider. Tendou is merely his rival rider and his driving force.

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by riderkicker » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:16 am

Well, at least he wasn't all "I've got to be stronger no matter what even it means I gotta strip naked into a tub of prehistoric weeds."

Sure he was aloof and a d- at times, but at least he was frickin' stoic.
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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by Darien_Shields » Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:36 am

riderkicker wrote:Well, at least he wasn't all "I've got to be stronger no matter what even it means I gotta strip naked into a tub of prehistoric weeds."
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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by Anime_freek22 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:38 am

I sorta liked Tendou. I could see a combo of Ishida Uryu and Chad from Bleach in him, as Chad is quiet and strong, while Ishida attempts a cool facade, and both are good characters in my opinion. Although they do get a fair bit more of development than Tendou. But he isn't all-knowing at least. Kagami opened his eyes to Hiyori's Worm-ness and he had trouble with the whole Red Shoes system. If I were to parallel him to a character from literature, I'd say maybe more of an Athena type person, albeit not a girl. Cuz Athena was reputed to be wise (like obaa-chan), a great fighter (Tendou), and was skilled in the arts (Like Tendou in cooking and other stuffs). She was also arrogant at some times and gentle at other times. Much like Tendou.
I'd say Kagami fits the Heracles-albeit weaker-archetype. He's brash, impulsive, and fights like crazy. He also cares for those close to him and is willing to go the distance.
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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by Animetigerlily » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:42 am

I thought tendou was a really good character, but I personally didn't like his motives for some things, nor the way he kept shoving poor kaGAmi away when kaGAmi was trying his hardest to befriend him... :cry: :cry: :cry:

but overall, I think Tendou came through in the end ((although I thought it was a bit corny when all through the series he kept saying "i will defeat all the worm" until he finds out his own sister is a worm, then he goes around saying "i will defeat all the worm EXCEPT my sister"))

i think the ending was thought through a LOT better than den-o ((i still don't want it to end :( :( ))

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by Arigomi » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:26 am

Darien_Shields wrote:I think perhaps I might have liked Tendou more if it were more possible to get into the guy's head. It's hard to know what he's thinking- and I suppose that's part of the charm- but it'd make him seem more human if once and a while when nobody else was around he actually revealed his insecurities even if it was just to the viewer.
This is central to why people have a hard time liking Tendou. I tend to think of him as more of an anti-hero than a hero. Anti-heroes do heroic deeds but the public can never fully trust them because of their enigmatic personalities and actions. Many anti-heroes operate on the principle that the ends justifies the means.

I wonder if girls like Tendou because he embodies the "bad boy" stereotype. I heard somewhere that girls like "bad boys" because it plays into a fantasy of a guy who is aloof to everyone except for that special someone in their heart.

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by perdomot » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:52 am

Tendou's character never grew on me because he was not only arrogant but selfish as well. He didn't seem to really care about anyone except Hiyori. Everybody else including other riders got treated as little more than tools for him to use for his purposes. When he starts collecting the other Zectors by force, as if he is simply entitled to them, I really lost any sympathy I had for the character. Kagami's struggles seemed much more genuine and human whereas Tendou seemed barely human.

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by takenoko » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:01 am

Animetigerlily wrote:he kept saying "i will defeat all the worm" until he finds out his own sister is a worm, then he goes around saying "i will defeat all the worm EXCEPT my sister"))
To me, that seems like it plays into the disparity between what Tendou knows and thinks and what he says. For one thing, Tendou never finds out that Hiyori is a Worm. He sees his parents get killed and mimiced. He knows his mom died before giving birth. He walks into the whole story knowing full well that Hiyori is a Worm, yet accepts her as his legitimate little sister

I kind of forget what the various meanings of hero and anti-hero are, but I think Tendou is a hero in the way I think Ren is a hero. They're both guys that risk life and limb to protect those they love.

Edit: I think the question of selfishness goes back to my question about Knight's quest. Is it selfish to fight for others, even if it's just one person? I legitimately don't know, but it seems to me to be more realistic than the hero who fights for everyone. Come on, no one likes everyone

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by ToastedFred » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:27 am

I'll just quickly post my thoughts.

He made Kabuto unwatchable for me. I love the series design, i like the story, but I just could not stand to watch him. I'm not sure what it is, but I have trouble sitting through one episode. Whenever I go to watch the series from the start again, after a big break, I get to about episode 5, and its just to painful to watch on.

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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by Shado Kabuto » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:48 am

Tendou has developed throughout the series from the being a cool laid-back cocky badass to a a more loosen up person and able to trust Kagami as a friend.
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Re: Was he really that likeable?

Post by KuroKaze » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:04 pm

I wasn't really bothered by Tendou because all the other characters complimented him well. I think by himself he is a bit stiff, however the drama between his relations with the other characters seem to show his true struggles.

He's like Ryoma from Prince of Tennis. A natural badass that has been training all his life and can pretty much whoop anyone, anytime, anywhere. However, the true struggle is whether he can be the pillar for everyone else to look up to and support. He's more of the symbol of what everyone else is trying to strive for.

About his personality and character, its just my opinion but the circumstances between Hyori, grandma, and himself pretty much provide the answer for that. He knows perfectly well that she is a Worm from the get go and his entire resolve is just to protect her well being. Remember his original name is Souji Kusakabe, but after the incident it was named to Souji Tendou. I mean his grandma and him changed his names so that he would be some one else, perfect and godly. Some one with the power to protect things and to save the day.

In my opinion, as Tendou (not Kusakabe) he takes on a persona that is infallible because of the harsh mission he has to do. He must be perfect because he is pretty much going to fight against the entire world. He MUST be perfect. There is no way a person can just go fight the entire world and not be insecure or fears, that is why Kusakabe creates Tendou. A man without fear that can protect Hiyori.

He fights against Humans, Riders, Worms, and Natives for the sole purpose of protecting his sister. Is it right? Is it wrong? Shouldn't he protect everyone else? Sure, these are questions anyone would face but Tendou is perfect, he is NOT wrong. He CAN'T be wrong, He CAN'T fail. Because for him the stakes are too high, one mistake would cost him everything. And his everything is Hiyori.

Sure Tendou doesn't really change that much or develops, but throughout the series you can see little slivers of Kusakabe leaking through his facade. I mean he does end up helping a lot of riders and people. His advice is often good intentioned. Is he unreal? Yes of course, because he isn't real. Tendou is a fake created so that Kusakabe could do what needs to be done. Tendou is unreal because he doesn't exist.

Just my opinion. :D

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