It's 2014, what would you like to see in toku hero diversity

[Revorse]

What's a SJW?

[KickHopper]

Social Justice Warrior. Tumblr is full of people fighting for one cause or another or many. Sadly most SJWs are incredibly combative and antagonistic, and you kinda have to fight fire with fire just get a word noticed sometimes. It's a disease, honestly. Need to remind myself of my mantra of "Be excellent to each other" sometimes.

[Revorse]

What? Tumblr's used for more than just pictures?
Oh man! Just the name alone is enough to turn me away.
Sounds like a bunch of elitist fucks tossing their ideals down someone's throat.

[KickHopper]

Not all SJWs are like that, just the loudest ones. Honestly I've learned a lot of really great things from tumblr, I'm glad I'm on there.

[dancercotillion]

The hilarious thing about tumblr is how it went from "imagehosting blog-type thing" to having a dark corner where people explode with rage over things and are told by a hundred other people that they are utterly correct in being mad. Like the tumblr about men who take up room on public transit. Yeah, some dudes are dicks and take up multiple seats, but some of us are just big. Sorry, tumblr, I have broad shoulders and I'm going to infringe on your personal space if we sit beside one another.

But for every horrible SJW tumblr, there is someone awesome trying to categorize Star Trek characters into Hogwarts houses.

[The Virginian]

Yep. That makes you a transphobe.

You are clueless.

If a transwoman says they're a woman, they're a woman.

Until they get SRS they are not a woman, they are a transwoman. Which you clearly stated, if they were a woman you wouldn't have referred to them as transwoman.

[takenoko]

Yeah, that part of tumblr annoys me, but you got to take the bad with the good. And usually long posts of being mad are usually followed up with "Hey, here's the other viewpoint that needs to be considered."

It's just funny how people forget the golden rule online. If you don't like it when people talk to you in a certain way, maybe you shouldn't do the same thing with others.

Now, now, be nice Virginian. If you can't speak in a civilized manner, you shouldn't do so at all.

[The Virginian]

Now, now, be nice Virginian.

This is me nice.

If I wasn't being nice I would have told KH to smoke enough pot to lose complete control of his mental faculties then to go play on the highway during rush hour while wearing a frilly French Maid uniform with a dildo up his ass or I might have insinuated that his mother likes to pay for her crack by being an employee of the world's oldest profession.

[KickHopper]

Yep. That makes you a transphobe.

You are clueless.

If a transwoman says they're a woman, they're a woman.

Until they get SRS they are not a woman, they are a transwoman. Which you clearly stated, if they were a woman you wouldn't have referred to them as transwoman.

The label of trans woman is because you're choosing to focus on their genitals. They're still a woman. Being trans does not make them any less of a woman. Even if they get SRS, they are still trans, which again still does not negate them being a woman. Maybe you should go back and read the article on transphobia I linked to, since you don't seem to get that you're being incredibly disrespectful toward women by valuing them as women solely by their genitalia. What about intersex women? Are they also "not real women" because they have male genitalia as well? As you said earlier, "they're not a woman if they have a penis". You say I'm clueless, but you're the one who needs to get a clue.

[Revorse]

I feel like the conversation just needs to be dropped. It's clear each of you have your own views and aren't coming to a concensus anytime soon. No one's right and no one's wrong but I don't think this convo has a pleasant end.

[KickHopper]

I feel like the conversation just needs to be dropped. It's clear each of you have your own views and aren't coming to a concensus anytime soon. No one's right and no one's wrong but I don't think this convo has a pleasant end.

Except going out of this, Virginian is still being incredibly offensive and discriminatory. But sure, let's drop the conversation and people can go on being ignorant.

[The Virginian]

Maybe you should go back and read the article on transphobia I linked to

You linked to Wikipedia a highly unreliable source. Provide a legitimate source and I may consider reading it if I have absolutely nothing else to do.

you're being incredibly disrespectful

Two part answer:

1. Since you like to link to Wikipedia i'll respond with this, which one of them applies to me..
2. So what.

[KickHopper]

Seriously? There's seriously people who say Wikipedia is "a highly unreliable source"? Ok, fine. Here's every single reference source used in the Transphobia article on Wikipedia. Take your pick.

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^ Jump up to: a b Salkind, Neil (2008). Encyclopedia of Educational Psychology. SAGE. p. 432. ISBN 1412916887.
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^ Jump up to: a b c Bender-Baird, Kyla (2011). Transgender Employment Experiences: Gendered Perceptions and the Law. SUNY Press. pp. 5–24. ISBN 1438436742.
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Jump up ^ Ekins, Richard. The Transgender Phenomenon. p. 199. ISBN 1847877265.
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Jump up ^ McDonough, Katie (22 August 2013). "Media willfully misgender Chelsea Manning". Salon Magazine.
Jump up ^ Harrison, Kelby (2013). Sexual Deceit: The Ethics of Passing. Lexington Books. p. 12. ISBN 0739177052.
Jump up ^ Ansara, Y. Gavriel. Cisgenderism in Medical Settings: Challenging Structural Violence Through Collaborative Partnerships. p. 95. Retrieved 20 September 2013.
^ Jump up to: a b c d e Shapiro, Lila (28 August 2013). "Shouting Disrupts Vigil For Murdered Transgender Woman Islan Nettles". Huffington Post.
^ Jump up to: a b Di Menna, Hillary (16 September 2013). "Gender Block: Media misgendering and Chelsea Manning". This Magazine.
Jump up ^ Beam, Cris (January 2008). Transparent. Harvest Books. ISBN 978-0-15-603377-0.
Jump up ^ "NYC's Department of Homeless Services Issues a Trans-Affirmative Housing Policy". The Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Center. 5 February 2006. Archived from the original on 15 June 2006. Retrieved 6 September 2006..
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Jump up ^ "Injustice at Every Turn A Report of the National Transgender Discrimination Survey". transequality.org.
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Jump up ^ Pazulka, Nicole. "17 European Countries Force Transgender Sterilization". Retrieved August 24, 2013.
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^ Jump up to: a b The Transgender Community Health Project (18 February 1999). "Sociodemographics". Descriptive Results. HIVInSite. Retrieved 7 September 2006.
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Jump up ^ Jacques, Juliet (25 August 2010). "'No wonder many transsexual people end up in sex work'". The Guardian. Retrieved 30 March 2012.
Jump up ^ Transgender woman Fernada raped in a Danish centre for asylum seekers
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^ Jump up to: a b c Raymond, J. (1994). The Transsexual Empire (2nd ed.). Teachers College Press
Jump up ^ Van Gelder, Lindsy; and Pamela Robin Brandt. "The Girls Next Door: Into the Heart of Lesbian America", p. 73. Simon and Schuster, ISBN 978-0-684-83957-8
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^ Jump up to: a b Weiss JT (2004). GL vs BT The archaeology of biphobia and transphobia within U.S. gay and lesbian community. Journal of Bisexuality, 3, 25-55.
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I'm done here.

[The Virginian]

Seriously? There's seriously people who say Wikipedia is "a highly unreliable source"?

Any moronic Joe Blow can edit it, therefore it is not reliable and never will be.

http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?ke ... page346376

I'm done here.

Thank you.

[dancercotillion]

TV-Nihon's forums are an academic research forum, you heard it here first, folks.