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Great! Really awesome! I think this is the first time you really released a full-HD Kamen Rider related movie. Just a stupid question, in spite getting all the BD, why didn't you guys do the other shows in just HD instead of full-HD?
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Because no one asked for a 1080p version? I've always been under the impression that most people were fine with the 720p version.

Personally, I think it's better to offer people just two options. So if people wanted 1080p, I'd rather just drop the 720p version and just do the SD and full HD versions.
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Alot of time its a time factor, encoding a 1080p stream just takes a long time, for reference Hibiki 1080p took 9 hours to encode over the 3 hours for the 720p

So I dont always have time to prep a 1080p for release if were on a tight time frame,

I dont think we will be able to ditch 720p till the majority of everybody is able to play 1080p flawlessly, its still a catch up job for most people who havent upgraded their PC's for a while.

If there is no real interest in them, I guess Ill just stop making them for Movies that I work on.
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I was under the impression that HD can means 720p and 1080p. so we call 720p HD, and 1080p FHD?

well, personally I prefer 720p, eventhough the 1080p version exist. I have some reasoning :
1. I watch all of my download in my Laptop and computer, so 720p is a good choice since 1080p is for those who have big screen. unfortunately I don`t have big screen
2. 1080p uses more resources, both harddisk and PC. I have 6,5 TB of harddisk but I still prefer 720p. It save me more space and I can store more files.
3. 1080p needs more bandwidth to download, and more time also. My download speed isn`t that great. by downloading 720p, I can save bandwidth for something else.

so basically :
if you release in SD and HD, I will download HD
if you release in SD and HD and FHD, I will download HD
if you release in SD and FHD, well, I`m doomed. I will download SD >_<

EDIT : I want to add, I have PC and Laptop good enough to play 1080p flawlessly, but still prefer 720p for those reasons I mentioned before
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Well, I wouldn't say that time is a factor, but it would be nice to know that there's an audience for something if we decide to commit a certain amount of resource to doing it. I just really don't know what the majority of people feel about the matter. It'd be nice to futureproof some stuff, but I think splitting things threeway and redoing an encode three times and uploading three times would get annoying.

Yeah, I never heard of full HD as a term until just that post either. I actually don't mind dooming people as long as the SD version exists, since everyone is more or less guaranteed to be able to play it. I imagine people who really want the best quality will have put in the resources to make that a viable option for them.
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FullHD is a term from the TV sales world

TV's sold as HD Ready have a resolution of 1366x768, which is just a touch over 720p and will be able to play everything at 720p res, even if you connect a Blu-Ray player to it and play a 1080p video, it will downscale to 720p so you can watch it.
TV's sold as FullHD have a resolution of 1920x1080, this is the current top size of HD, as such it will play everything in 1080p provided the input matches 1080p

I wouldn't even call FullHD future proof since Japan is working on Super HD, basically 4 times the size of FullHD

I guess we had the same questions when we started doing HD encodes, would there be enough interest in them and would people like them, I guess in time people have grown to love them, but if we dont want to waste resources, I can just release to DDL if anything, or if prefered I can stop doing them completely
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Well, personally, I think having 1080p releases are a splendid idea! I've been wanting to watch Kamen Rider on my HDTV in a higher quality for a long time! One thing you could do is drop the SD releases and only have 720p and 1080p releases! :mrgreen:

Also, I'm wondering, do that many people even download SDs nowadays? Because I don't. A great man once told me; "Go for the gold! Why settle for less?" So please TV-NIHON, if possible, can you try to continue the 1080p releases! :3

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I still find it hard to believe that people waste bandwidth with the SD releases, especially now that every GFX card manufacturer has drivers that offload all of the video encoding/decoding work to the video card, even on old cards. Its a night and day difference between SD and HD, even 720p. As for me personally, I always want the very best as my 42in LCD TV is my monitor. I would be down for 1080p releases.

Even most old computers (lets call it 5 years) can play HD movies, its all in the software and the setup. VLC is where its at.
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From what I read, I don't think that people would be able to notice the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 42 inch TV screen. 1080p is more for people who watch it on the computer where you're really up close to the monitor.

The discussion isn't about why people still download SD versions, it's only important to acknowledge that they prefer or need that version for some reason.
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takenoko wrote:From what I read, I don't think that people would be able to notice the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 42 inch TV screen. 1080p is more for people who watch it on the computer where you're really up close to the monitor.
At proper viewing distance, that is correct. However up close, its easier to tell. Mine is on my desk, so I only sit about 2 feet away, I think proper distance is 5-7 ft. Just my personal setup, though.
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Kamen Rider Portable wrote: Also, I'm wondering, do that many people even download SDs nowadays? Because I don't. A great man once told me; "Go for the gold! Why settle for less?" So please TV-NIHON, if possible, can you try to continue the 1080p releases! :3
Well... some of us don't really have that much of a choice. Some friends of mine don`t have good bandwidth, even they find it difficult to download a 350 Mb file. Some others don`t have enough capacity to store them, even if I share my 720p download to them, they still prefer the low quality or compressed one. Lucky for me to have both of them, bandwidth and storage. but, well, yeah... some of us don't really have that much of a choice
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Considering a lot of providers are considering or have already instituted bandwidth caps, it's in our best interest to keep the smaller file for people who can't afford to download huge files if they just want to see the smaller one.
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Another one who doesn't really touch SD over here. I say "doesn't really" because I still grab SD if Director's Cut exists, as normally they don't release BD versions of them for whatever ingenious marketing reason they have (release all TC movies on BluRay in a box set now, earn money. 1-2 years later do it all again with DCs FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, earn money?).

So yeah, SD only really has it's use for me with DCs.

On topic: In regards to 1080p, I think it would be nice for all BluRay sources. I'm not sure of the size difference between a 720p and 1080p TV rip episode but I wouldn't see myself dl'ing 1080p weekly (unless the size difference is actually not that drastic and/or it was a favourite series).

However for any BD films or series remasters, or as I just mentioned anything with a BD source, I think it would be cool to release that in 1080p. I would definately get those.

So maybe if you wanted to keep offering only two options you could have:
TV rips
SD
HD 720p

Disc rips
DVD
BluRay 1080p

Just my thoughts on the matter anyway.
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Bandwidth caps are an issue as to why I download the SD. That, and I like having all my Toku on my computer, so size is a lesser but still an issue.
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I appreciate you putting in the effort to do 1080p versions. The Garo films looked stunning, and I'm definitely looking forward to my first ever look at Hibiki when I get home.
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