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[takenoko]

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Ratings for last week's episode: 4.5 of 5 stars (8 votes)

It's so weird that for Nago's story, it feels like her dad is the main character

Keiwa: "Are we the baddies?"

I like this interior building as a fighting arena. Feels like they're making good use of the small space. Good fight, but sorta lame that Buffa has a rematch with Keiwa and expected different results. I guess this conversation had to happen

Again, to script doctor the episode. It's weird that Neon's story is about things happening to the people around her. Like her mom deciding to be less psycho and more of a loving mother. Yes, it's good that side characters grow and change too, but this all happened because someone kidnapped Neon, instead of something Neon did or some personal revelation she had. So it's frustrating as a character arc for one of the main characters of the series

Clearly getting beaten up has made TimeFire the least stressed looking he's ever looked

What? Why did Beroba come back to attack the hospital after leaving them alive before? She specifically stopped the fight to leave when she could have finished off Kousei

Huh, strange to not see a cut away to Ace or Tsumuri changing Gyago to the Nago ID Core

Fantasy has some cool physics breaking attacks

I wonder what those swords are in the fantasy buckle

It was brief, but loved Buffa's interaction with Beroba. Seems kind of weird that he'd walk away since I'm pretty sure Beroba was responsibile for quite a few people dying

Oh they do explain that Ace was behind the change.

I want to give this episode a 5, but I still think Neon's story sucks. She learns she was created from a wish, so she feels like an imposter, is treated badly by her parents for like 10 years, then her big breakthrough is "get kidnapped, make her parents realize they actually do care". Wow, what character growth

[Yaiba]

It's nice they show Neon better utilizing the Fantasy Buckle's power than her father, since she was more experienced in Rider battles. This debut fight is cool as hell, but since she didn't have a physical weapon not sure how much they can keep up this cgi fighting style.

Enjoyed Neon's side story, their journey of learning how to love each other, similar to the struggles between adopted parents and children. Neon learned that even though she's artificially created, the time she's alive and had relationship just like everyone else. Kind of glad the true love she found was family love with her parents and not romantic love with Kyuun. Also enjoyed Kasahara Shinji (TimeFire)'s acting, and good action with the Fantasy belt from both Gyago and Neon.

I'm glad both Neon and Buffa got to rub it in Beroba's face. She had been constantly messing with these two. I actually thought Buffa was there to finish the job.

I think this kinda confirms how Ace's power works. He uses emotions to grant wishes like his mum, but he doesn't forcefully take the happiness from others, he utilized the strong emotion from the people making the wish instead. He used his own emotion to recreate the world, which drained most of his powers so he can't do another full-scale world recreation, but he was able to create a ID core and buckle for Kousei because Kousei was determined to save Neon, and he was able to give Neon her ID core back because she and her family wishes to protect each other.

And there's the king of double down.

[takenoko]

Loved Neon's promo for this week's episode. Even she is pointing out that she hasn't transformed in like 2 months

[CheetahLynx]

My name is Kurama Neon. You almost killed my father. Prepare to die.

[takenoko]

Wait, why is the almost struck out? Did something happen to Kousei that we didn't see? XD

But I laughed pretty hard when I read that

[resop2]

^ It's a Princess Bride reference.

Yeah! "Chick fight" (With probably two male suit actors.)

I am still wondering why Neon, Buffa, and even Keiwa don't waste the supporters.

I think Neon's Kamen Rider Fantasy might be even more of a Sailor Moon Kamen Rider than Kamen Rider Tsukuyomi.

When Beroba smashed the broken mirror I wondered if this was going to be a reference to the hyper battle video.

When Kekera was fighting Gates I was hoping that Kekera's tongue could have caught Gates so we could have a shot of Gates being half in and half out of Kekera's giant mouth before Gates shoots his way out of it.

Buffa should have told the gang members "I would run if I was you. I don't care if you are collateral damage and neither does Tycoon."

[Gokider]

My name is Kurama Neon. You almost killed my father. Prepare to die.

Wait, why is the almost struck out? Did something happen to Kousei that we didn't see? XD

But I laughed pretty hard when I read that

^ It's a Princess Bride reference.

I believe the question was why "almost" was crossed out when that's accurate and I believe that was because it isn't part of the quote (name change notwithstanding).

Yeah! "Chick fight" (With probably two male suit actors.)

Actually female suit actors, which does seem to be the case most of the time these days.

[msf232]

Yeah! "Chick fight" (With probably two male suit actors.)

Actually female suit actors, which does seem to be the case most of the time these days.

That's actually good to know

[DreadBringer]

Again, to script doctor the episode. It's weird that Neon's story is about things happening to the people around her. Like her mom deciding to be less psycho and more of a loving mother. Yes, it's good that side characters grow and change too, but this all happened because someone kidnapped Neon, instead of something Neon did or some personal revelation she had. So it's frustrating as a character arc for one of the main characters of the series

Man, seems that if a character doesn't do things in a over the top fashion, it can be forgotten eh, by the real life audienece who blames the show instead of not picking on enough...cuz she did take actions that inspired change in them. She saves Kousei (with him being surprised of this action) and also peels off his emotional barriers by explaining the reason why he keeps Akari's memories. This inspired them that she manages to get true love by herself (including said action of saving Kousei) despite them not giving her one, making them realize they failed as parents and wants to make amends, the moment of kidnapping just happens to be a coincidental symbolic history repeats but without that they should still attempt, due to Neon's actions, eh.

[takenoko]

I forgot about Neon saving Kousei, but it does feel very much like Irumi went from overbearing mom to "wait I love my not-daughter" in the time since we saw Neon succeed at running away from home. And Kousei and Neon do talk in prison. But when she leaves, he's still "You're my tool, you've gotta help me get out of prison" and then conveniently for these episodes he's like "wait, maybe I love my wish daughter". It still feels like Neon's contributions over these last two months have been Punk Jack minimums of "wait, I'm still in the show, see?"

[Mxylv]

Man, this was a good episode. Last episode TimeDad went through an inverse character arc to Keiwa by letting go of himself to save his family where Keiwa’s self-centerness failed. Here, Neon puts a spin on that by *accepting herself* to save her family, in a way that connotes self-love rather than pride (a fellow watcher pointed out that even TimeDad’s ID core turning into Neon’s could be viewed as both characters accepting the latter as part of the Kurama family).

And that fight. When an enemy gains a new form, they’re usually unbeatable for a short time, but Neon defeating Beroba’s (probably) final form after two episodes—by herself—feels earned here where it could have felt impatient or anticlimactic if mishandled. I’m still not 100% sold that we needed two full months without Nago for this, but if this doesn’t make up for that absence, I don’t know what would.

[CheetahLynx]

Wait, why is the almost struck out? Did something happen to Kousei that we didn't see? XD

But I laughed pretty hard when I read that

I thought of the joke when it seemed he was going to die, and I didn't want it to go to waste, so that is how I fixed it. I guess parentheses would have been the better option.
I'll leave it as it is, though; I think it looks better this way haha

[Thenosa Yechette]

The moments that stand out to me from this episode are the Naago fantasy vs Premium Beroba fight and the scene near the end where Neon visits the salon and tells Ace that she knows he was the one who helped her. That expression on Ace's face when she said he can't fool her was golden. Too bad he couldn't do anything for her to transform sooner...
I was gonna say that Neon's story is better than some of the previous female Riders, but for some reason the writers can never possibly get the stories to be actually good without having to make a compromise really messes with their story. For Neon, it was not being able to transform for about 10 episodes or so. But now I'm questioning whether the end result of that is actually good or not. And in the end, Neon never really was a part of the bigger plan of "saving the world". She wandered around trying desperately to get her Rider powers back when Keiwa got his final form and recreated the world and Ace was still struggling to fight against Jitto and his gang to save Tsumuri.

I want to give this episode a 5, but I still think Neon's story sucks. She learns she was created from a wish, so she feels like an imposter, is treated badly by her parents for like 10 years, then her big breakthrough is "get kidnapped, make her parents realize they actually do care". Wow, what character growth

I was kinda happy to know that her "wanting true love" was not about romantic love, but the way it turned out to be is not all that better. Now I'm thinking, maybe it should have been romantic love after all, because I ship her with Ace. And this story of "the Kurama family can't love her daughter because they're psycho parents" is not much better than what could have happened if it was romantic love instead.

[takenoko]

I think part of it is that Neon's story is kind of pushed back into the c plot. Like the writer knows he has to keep Neon in the story, but it can't take up too much time away from stuff going on with Ace, Keiwa, or Buffa

So I don't hate the main outline of the story, but the details and way Neon's story was written are what bug me. Like none of the characters are given the time to really be realistic or have internal growths or changes on camera. Irumi and Neon have a sort of break through, but quick, Irumi has to start screeching at Neon not to leave her so that she runs away again. TimeFire is a wide eyed maniac until he gets saved during his prison break, and needs to transform because that same daughter got kidnapped in the same episode that she saved her dad? What?

I just don't think Takahashi is very interested in fully developing his female characters, but realizes he can't just do like an all dude crew in 2023. So in the middle when he runs out of time for them, he just puts them in the background so he doesn't have to think about them for a bit

[Thenosa Yechette]

I just don't think Takahashi is very interested in fully developing his female characters, but realizes he can't just do like an all dude crew in 2023. So in the middle when he runs out of time for them, he just puts them in the background so he doesn't have to think about them for a bit

And yet somehow, his seasons are burdened with doing something new with the female Rider and heroine. For Zero-One, it was the first season with a regular female Rider, and for Geats, it's the first season where they try to make some sort of actual character out of the female Rider(s, because Sae). No comment about Ex-Aid, haven't watched that yet. They should stop burdening him with stuff he doesn't want to do. Cuz otherwise, he's a good writer.