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Ratings for last week's episode: 4.25 of 5 stars (8 votes)

Oh Punk Jack is alive

Oh hey, it's just like in the opening. So my theory from last week is coming true

If Tsumuri gets her hands on the gun, does that mean she'll become a Rider? I mean, it seems almost a certainty, since everyone in Takahashi's shows becomes a Rider

Oh, so that's why there's a black Tsumuri

Ponytail's freaky tree is back

I dispute Nago and Buffa being so in sync that he can fire his finisher through her back. This is literally their first time fighting as a team I believe. I guess ponytail forgot he can Jamato up

The tree was taken??

Oh wait, it's kind of good to have Ace off the board like this.He's way too overpowered. It's a bit arbitrary but it's a good move storytellingwise

This ravine must be pretty darn close to the tree of knowledge, even though they're clearly in different spots

Why isn't Beroba using her premium card? Is her Rider form stronger? If it is, the premium card is pointless. If it isn't, then why isn't she holding back

So Buffa still has his Rider killer form as I thought

RIP Beroba, what a great villain

Oh hey, emo Keiwa is gone

20 years later and Shundou Mitsutoshi is still playing the mephisto figure

Daichi just has a magical antidote? I know this is a show about making wishes and stuff, but Takahashi sure makes stuff up as he goes. Also, did they only rescue Sara or are the other people in the tree going to be freed?

Oh good, I was hoping Ace would start turning to stone. That makes more sense than his weird thorns thing

Edit: Wait, is DaPaan gone again? Why bring him back for one episode?

I see the CD-Box ad is in the CMs this week. I wonder if the BLu-ray will contain full music videos or just the same things they put on YouTube? In an age where they already put all the songs on Spotify, seems kind of weird to also sell the CD-Box unless it contains something new and unique?
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Nice Buffa episode. It focused solely on him without other taking away screen time, and he made full use of that. With this resolved though it seems clear that Buffa will not be getting new a cool final form like the others during the TV series run. Maybe in a offshoot special.

The Supporters plot lines are finally all going to resolved next episode.

So there's two Tsumuri now?

Black Tsumuri immediately started granting Beroba's wish. So all the VIPs needed to do was gave up their sparks and their wish would be granted? What's the drawback? That they will perish if they were defeated??? What if they never fight like those nameless VIPs hiding in the audience booth?

Side note, Buffa shouldn't be able to use Zombie Strike without putting Zombie on his legs with Revolve On... I understand why they did it though, because it definitely looks way cooler currently than having no chest plates with leg armor only for a final showdown.
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Beroba's actress had a Q&A in her stories. Some of them are trivial like asking her favorite jelly bean flavor (she thinks they're all the same). One person said she was cute and they were an extra on one of the sets. She made some book recommendations, which is something I feel all celebs who read should do. She shared her spotify playlist. One person said they bought the Premium Laser Riser.

Someone asked her favorite memories from working on Geats for half a year. She liked the double Rider transformation, turning into a monster. The napalm and hanging she mentions probably means the onset explosions and wirework I'm guessing? Surprised she didn't mention making the music video, but guess she can't list everything

Editing: I think one of the reason Beroba was such a great character is because there's just nothing quite like a toku lady villainess. Beroba laughed, and quite enjoyed being a cornball bad guy. She wasn't intimidating, but definitely gave the good guys a bad time in her own ways. Lady commanders were so fun in sentai, and they just haven't really been doing them as much lately. I wouldn't really consider Sononi a villainess and Yodonna was sorta fun, but she had such a flat affect and really only had her weird tongue thing. Who was the last villainess before Yodonna, Escape from Go-Busters?
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takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm Oh Punk Jack is alive
With no explanation of him getting away after Jitto knocked him out, of course. Could just be Geats' reset though and saying he and Tycoon vanished was just because he couldn't find them.
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm I dispute Nago and Buffa being so in sync that he can fire his finisher through her back. This is literally their first time fighting as a team I believe. I guess ponytail forgot he can Jamato up
As a team no, but they have both been part of a group fighting together earlier in the series. The coordination for a lot of team ups wouldn't make sense regardless of how much they fought together unless they planned and/or practiced what they were doing so these two might've just discussed him attacking like that and her going intangible when she sees, hears, or feels it coming.

Then again, she could just be like that with attacks automatically unless she doesn't want to be (as with taking the hit for her mother). This Chesire Cat thing hasn't really been elaborated on so who knows.
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm Oh wait, it's kind of good to have Ace off the board like this.He's way too overpowered. It's a bit arbitrary but it's a good move storytellingwise
This series has had a recurring tendency to have Riders not henshin for an episode or two at a time at various points so they could just be incorporating breaks for suit actors into the story with varying degrees of how well it's integrated (or it was for time spent in the movie).
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm This ravine must be pretty darn close to the tree of knowledge, even though they're clearly in different spots
Isn't that place close to everywhere? Everyone ends up there no matter where they were before.
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm Why isn't Beroba using her premium card? Is her Rider form stronger? If it is, the premium card is pointless. If it isn't, then why isn't she holding back
It could be due to space as she hasn't used it in a bit and wanted to take the opportunity. It could be more about Buffa as she's using her Rider form to make him regret not having his anti-Rider powers (as she believes) or just because that's her form as his sponsor (with the two of them literally ramming their bullheads into each other) and that's how she wanted to wrap things up. In reality, it's more likely they wanted to give her Rider form another appearance since it also visually gives Buffa a better obstacle to defeat.
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm So Buffa still has his Rider killer form as I thought
As always, they don't explain it, but considering he didn't use it until the last second, it's possible it only kicked in (pun intended) because of his wish and resolve.
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm Oh hey, emo Keiwa is gone
Ironically by undoing his ideal world. The bit with him and Buffa at the end works better for why it sticks though. It's a shame they didn't actually have Buffa be the one to get him back to normal due to their reversal of roles and Tycoon acknowledging what Buffa was doing like he did here.
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm Daichi just has a magical antidote? I know this is a show about making wishes and stuff, but Takahashi sure makes stuff up as he goes. Also, did they only rescue Sara or are the other people in the tree going to be freed?
To be fair, it would make sense he'd have something like what he described with his experimenting though it was a rather clean reversal without even showing much (like the other people), but that's just how these things go.
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm Oh good, I was hoping Ace would start turning to stone. That makes more sense than his weird thorns thing
You mean the barb wire holding him in place? That seems to be the DGP Style what with it being in their logo and force fields.
takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm Wait, is DaPaan gone again? Why bring him back for one episode?
To make a point without having to introduce a new character. Might not be gone though. We'll see.
Yaiba wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:10 am Nice Buffa episode. It focused solely on him without other taking away screen time, and he made full use of that. With this resolved though it seems clear that Buffa will not be getting new a cool final form like the others during the TV series run. Maybe in a offshoot special.
Likely also giving him his screentime before the last few episodes focus more on the others. Of course, this could just be practical. If the current pattern of Yuya Nawata playing the primary Rider every other series holds and he's playing Gotchard, then they could just be giving his current character the focus so he doesn't need to be around as much and can start on the next series rather than have someone else take over the role for the last few episodes as has happened before.
Yaiba wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:10 am Black Tsumuri immediately started granting Beroba's wish. So all the VIPs needed to do was gave up their sparks and their wish would be granted? What's the drawback? That they will perish if they were defeated??? What if they never fight like those nameless VIPs hiding in the audience booth?
There could be more to it like they already had energy saved up or Geats undoing the last wish allowed some leeway and they just went with Beroba's wish since it would serve the Bad End. Those who don't get involved may not have enough of a spark to ignite a wish granting. The distinction between the Rider sponsors and the rest has always been suggested to be their more fervent desires, which leads to them getting directly involved, as Kekera made a point about.
Yaiba wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:10 am Side note, Buffa shouldn't be able to use Zombie Strike without putting Zombie on his legs with Revolve On... I understand why they did it though, because it definitely looks way cooler currently than having no chest plates with leg armor only for a final showdown.
I take it you mean using Zombie Strike as a kick shouldn't work with Zombie Form only being upper half, but there weren't any of the usual visuals for Zombie Strike apart from the purple energy so you could say he just directed it all to his foot without it taking form, which would be determined by where it is. Of course, this is all to showcase his moment of being a Kamen Rider (as we know them) through and through so it had to be a kick.
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>In reality, it's more likely they wanted to give her Rider form another appearance since it also visually gives Buffa a better obstacle to defeat.

Yeah, it does feel like "She should use her "Rider form" so that Buffa can use his anti-Rider powers." Even though the premium forms are totally Rider forms, regardless of how the show arbitrarily says they're not

>As always, they don't explain it, but considering he didn't use it until the last second, it's possible it only kicked in (pun intended) because of his wish and resolve.

Like I said, he should still have them because stuff that happens in previous worlds carry over, except this one time where they made an intentional step to reverse it back to the previous world

>To be fair, it would make sense he'd have something like what he described with his experimenting though it was a rather clean reversal without even showing much (like the other people), but that's just how these things go.

It's just funny because it's a comically large science lab tube of mysterious liquid

>You mean the barb wire holding him in place? That seems to be the DGP Style what with it being in their logo and force fields.

Does the barb wire/thorns appear elsewhere besides the opening?
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takenoko wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:50 pm >To be fair, it would make sense he'd have something like what he described with his experimenting though it was a rather clean reversal without even showing much (like the other people), but that's just how these things go.

It's just funny because it's a comically large science lab tube of mysterious liquid
He does tend to be over the top with how he does things.
takenoko wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:50 pm >You mean the barb wire holding him in place? That seems to be the DGP Style what with it being in their logo and force fields.

Does the barb wire/thorns appear elsewhere besides the opening?
Not tying anyone up, but it is part of their logo and is the visual whenever their forcefields get set off.
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I'm still confused over how a God(dess) of Creation is made. At first, I thought it was some form of ritual that a select group of the admin had to perform, but then we see Tsumuri was set up to become the next one (and I'm blanking out on how exactly that worked. Something about her being near Geats or his mom being the previous Goddess of Creation?)

Geats turning into one makes sense, considering it's in his blood, but then he starts to calcify after being bound up by the barbed wire from the intro and states it's the cost of being a God of Creation, and now my brain is fried.

Was genuinely surprised that Nadge-Sparrow kept his end of the bargain up. I expected him to give them something that'd destroy the trees and then he'd gloat about how 'no one is worthy of this knowledge' or something along those lines, but if it gives Keiwa a reason to turn good, I'm for it. Praying that he keeps his Black General form. It's just so cool.
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FangTrigger wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:04 am I'm still confused over how a God(dess) of Creation is made. At first, I thought it was some form of ritual that a select group of the admin had to perform, but then we see Tsumuri was set up to become the next one (and I'm blanking out on how exactly that worked. Something about her being near Geats or his mom being the previous Goddess of Creation?)

Geats turning into one makes sense, considering it's in his blood, but then he starts to calcify after being bound up by the barbed wire from the intro and states it's the cost of being a God of Creation, and now my brain is fried.

Was genuinely surprised that Nadge-Sparrow kept his end of the bargain up. I expected him to give them something that'd destroy the trees and then he'd gloat about how 'no one is worthy of this knowledge' or something along those lines, but if it gives Keiwa a reason to turn good, I'm for it. Praying that he keeps his Black General form. It's just so cool.
They've said that the price for using the Creation power is the user's free will, which the DGP took advantage of in order to control the wishes. It's not said how they worked this out or were able to mess with the becoming a statue bit (which seems to be the physical manifestation of losing their will), but they did seem to have some familiarity with the concept before even Mitsume was turned into a statue.

Tsumuri was said to have been designed to be Mitsume's successor (hence the name similarity, maybe). No details given, but considering how this new Tsumuri in black was made from Tsumuri's tear, it's likely something like that from Mitsume was used to make her, which adds credence to her legitemately being Ace's sister beyond the wish he made.

I'd say the sparrow knew that pulling anything at this point wouldn't have worked out for him and there's noone who would help even out of their own interest anymore, but his attitude does seem to suggest that he at least wants to pay them back for saving him (multiple times) as well give them less reasons to come after him. There does seem to be implications that he's reforming a bit, but that's minimal at best so far.

They're not going to have Keiwa give up his Final Form and it was made by Tsumuri so there's no reason for it to go yet. The eye color just gets changed to signify his loss of emo as tends to happen with Riders.
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takenoko wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:50 pm Yeah, it does feel like "She should use her "Rider form" so that Buffa can use his anti-Rider powers." Even though the premium forms are totally Rider forms, regardless of how the show arbitrarily says they're not
Just because it's Rider-like, doesn't mean that it's an actual Kamen Rider. Previous series have done this, such as the Alternatives in Ryuki.
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takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm I dispute Nago and Buffa being so in sync that he can fire his finisher through her back. This is literally their first time fighting as a team I believe. I guess ponytail forgot he can Jamato up
As a team no, but they have both been part of a group fighting together earlier in the series. The coordination for a lot of team ups wouldn't make sense regardless of how much they fought together unless they planned and/or practiced what they were doing so these two might've just discussed him attacking like that and her going intangible when she sees, hears, or feels it coming.

Then again, she could just be like that with attacks automatically unless she doesn't want to be (as with taking the hit for her mother). This Chesire Cat thing hasn't really been elaborated on so who knows.
In early series there was also Buffa switching teams back with Tycoon to nobody's knowledge, and that they managing to actually finish off 2 pair of Jamatos to Tycoon's surprise.
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takenoko wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:49 pm So Buffa still has his Rider killer form as I thought
As always, they don't explain it, but considering he didn't use it until the last second, it's possible it only kicked in (pun intended) because of his wish and resolve.
It was actually explained in ep. 40.
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Gokider wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:25 am I'd say the sparrow knew that pulling anything at this point wouldn't have worked out for him and there's noone who would help even out of their own interest anymore, but his attitude does seem to suggest that he at least wants to pay them back for saving him (multiple times) as well give them less reasons to come after him. There does seem to be implications that he's reforming a bit, but that's minimal at best so far.
More like feels that anyone who brings benefit to the protagonists are put on pedestal here to depict this as a potential reforming - I mean he'd be someone as bad as Gai from Zero-One or Orteca. Dunno what'd you feel regarding Gai's redemption, or... if they made Orteca to be redeemed. Because he agrees to work with them so that he can get his Tree back (for ulterior motives), of which got Beroba hijacking it. It'd make sense to give them less reasons to come after him, but he shouldn't be depicted as reforming only because he benefits in freeing Sara.
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DreadBringer wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:22 pm
Gokider wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:49 pm As a team no, but they have both been part of a group fighting together earlier in the series. The coordination for a lot of team ups wouldn't make sense regardless of how much they fought together unless they planned and/or practiced what they were doing so these two might've just discussed him attacking like that and her going intangible when she sees, hears, or feels it coming.

Then again, she could just be like that with attacks automatically unless she doesn't want to be (as with taking the hit for her mother). This Chesire Cat thing hasn't really been elaborated on so who knows.
In early series there was also Buffa switching teams back with Tycoon to nobody's knowledge, and that they managing to actually finish off 2 pair of Jamatos to Tycoon's surprise.
That was just Buffa timing his attack to match Tycoon's. The surprise was that it counted for their team since no one else knew they were a team again until that point.
DreadBringer wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:22 pm
Gokider wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:49 pm As always, they don't explain it, but considering he didn't use it until the last second, it's possible it only kicked in (pun intended) because of his wish and resolve.
It was actually explained in ep. 40.
That didn't explain anything. Amongst the other questions of what stuck during resets, it wasn't clear if he still had it and just didn't use it or gave it up and moved on, which is why Beroba didn't know until now that he still had it.

It could be that he didn't use it because the only Riders he fought since then that he would need it were Tycoon and this fight with Beroba, but he chose not to until now because of why Tycoon was fighting him and for it to be a surprise when he did use it since Beroba would've used her Premium form if she knew.

Not explained, but left vague enough that it could be brought back without contradiction.
DreadBringer wrote: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:22 pm
Gokider wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:25 am I'd say the sparrow knew that pulling anything at this point wouldn't have worked out for him and there's noone who would help even out of their own interest anymore, but his attitude does seem to suggest that he at least wants to pay them back for saving him (multiple times) as well give them less reasons to come after him. There does seem to be implications that he's reforming a bit, but that's minimal at best so far.
More like feels that anyone who brings benefit to the protagonists are put on pedestal here to depict this as a potential reforming - I mean he'd be someone as bad as Gai from Zero-One or Orteca. Dunno what'd you feel regarding Gai's redemption, or... if they made Orteca to be redeemed. Because he agrees to work with them so that he can get his Tree back (for ulterior motives), of which got Beroba hijacking it. It'd make sense to give them less reasons to come after him, but he shouldn't be depicted as reforming only because he benefits in freeing Sara.
The turnarounds for characters like that are a bit much, but in Gai's case the time for his change was cut short when Covid cost the series 4 episodes and Sparrow here was told by Ace that the memories he got from others are having an effect on him. This doesn't make it work, of course, but at least there are reasons for why they happened at their respective paces.
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the barbed wire looks so convincing in the opening, and holds up for 46 episodes, then they finally show what it means - but now it looks like plastic from a 50s horror film!? so disappointing... but I've really got to like Geats & by the meaty forum entries I know I'm not alone.
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Gokider wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:49 pm
Yaiba wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:10 am Nice Buffa episode. It focused solely on him without other taking away screen time, and he made full use of that. With this resolved though it seems clear that Buffa will not be getting new a cool final form like the others during the TV series run. Maybe in a offshoot special.
Likely also giving him his screentime before the last few episodes focus more on the others. Of course, this could just be practical. If the current pattern of Yuya Nawata playing the primary Rider every other series holds and he's playing Gotchard, then they could just be giving his current character the focus so he doesn't need to be around as much and can start on the next series rather than have someone else take over the role for the last few episodes as has happened before.
Nevermind the the Primary Rider idea. Apparently Eitoku is Gotchard's suit actor.
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Gokider wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:12 pm
Gokider wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:49 pm

Likely also giving him his screentime before the last few episodes focus more on the others. Of course, this could just be practical. If the current pattern of Yuya Nawata playing the primary Rider every other series holds and he's playing Gotchard, then they could just be giving his current character the focus so he doesn't need to be around as much and can start on the next series rather than have someone else take over the role for the last few episodes as has happened before.
Nevermind the the Primary Rider idea. Apparently Eitoku is Gotchard's suit actor.
Eitoku always seems like a nice guy behind the scenes. It's nice to see him going from secondary rider to primary at last
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takenoko wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:38 pm Eitoku always seems like a nice guy behind the scenes. It's nice to see him going from secondary rider to primary at last
Only took over a decade since that incident with Fourze, but as Vice, wasn't he part of a 2 for 1 Primary Rider?
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Gokider wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:47 pm
takenoko wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:38 pm Eitoku always seems like a nice guy behind the scenes. It's nice to see him going from secondary rider to primary at last
Only took over a decade since that incident with Fourze, but as Vice, wasn't he part of a 2 for 1 Primary Rider?
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