KR Gotchard 50 thread

[Phoenix512]

Kajiki was about to mindwipe again by Minato until Sabi stops him from doing so was pretty funny.

[ViRGE]

I really, really want to deduct a point for the KR Legend appearance. But that would bring this episode down to a 2, and while it was definitely mediocre, it wasn't bad. So you skate by on technicalities, Gotchard!

I'm not sure if I have any meaningful observations to add to this one. I feel like we're all on the same page here in terms of how this episode has been received. Because so much was packed into this single episode, the writers barely had enough time to hit all of their required check boxes, let alone do anything unique. The result is an episode that is inoffensive, but also just not very memorable. The hero wins by exactly the means you expect them to.

The production blog goes to show all the work the staff put into this, and even this ending was a massive amount of work. So I don't begrudge the staff here. But it's also a shame that they're going out on a mediocre ending.

Klotho!

Hi Klotho!

lol, look at the greenscreening of Klotho holding the cards . Where did she get all these cards? He beat her without even transforming? One less WOrf to go

Bye Klotho!

A tokusatsu writer's job is to make us care about these two costumed wrestlers beating on each other. Writing and story gives the story stakes. It engages the viewer. Without it, it's just George Lucas playing with CGI at his desk. Without good story or characters, the show is essentially just asking me to enjoy seeing bright lights as it flashes by, and to not think about it during or after

Write this down somewhere and keep it. It's about as apt an observation on the importance of the story in toku as one can make.

When I saw Mom talking to the dad photo and we still don't see the face, I literally threw up my hands and yelled "What?!" at the screen.

I'm not sure what exactly else they could have done, because at this point their choices were a) mention but don't resolve b) don't mention, don't resolve or c) unsatisfactory resolve. I of course would have preferred d) DON'T BRING UP CHEKHOV'S DAD IN THE FIRST PLACE

At this point I can't even be angry about the matter. If they were going to resolve the Dad situation, they would have done so by now. But I still at to dejectedly sigh at that final mention. It's basically rubbing salt into the wound.

I'm almost at the end of the episode and they talk about Spanner having a new goal in life. In past seasons, this is where they talk about going on a quest to bring back Chase or Ankh or whoever died in the series. But here... they don't tell us what his new goal in life is. And somehow, this is worse than the cliche ending

Some KR endings are more rushed than others. But this one was especially bad, unfortunately. What exactly are the writers supposed to do in just 180 seconds?

I don't really understand Rinne's comment as she helps Houtarou up. Maybe she likes him now. I dunno

That's my interpretation as well. But even in an episode with a lot of magical nonsense, it really does come out of left field if that's what it's meant to be.

I may as well end on a highlight, which had to be Renge and Sabimaru. The immobilization cannons were a clever way of retroactively turning the seemingly meaningless B plot skit into a Chekhov’s gun. Wish we had more, but what we got of them was wonderful.

Aye. Credit where credit is due for the writers on that bit.

[resop2]

I don't really understand Rinne's comment as she helps Houtarou up. Maybe she likes him now. I dunno

That's my interpretation as well. But even in an episode with a lot of magical nonsense, it really does come out of left field if that's what it's meant to be.

When I saw it, I thought "Oh, they are foreshadowing a forthcoming movie where they time travel backwards and somehow Rinne helps Houtarou up as well.

[Lunagel]

That's my interpretation as well. But even in an episode with a lot of magical nonsense, it really does come out of left field if that's what it's meant to be.

When I saw it, I thought "Oh, they are foreshadowing a forthcoming movie where they time travel backwards and somehow Rinne helps Houtarou up as well.

Dudes. Dudes. I know it's been like 34805409530 years since the beginning but it's a callback to episode 1 when she helps him up after he bumps into her.

[Zerato]

So that's now 3 seasons (Zero-One, Saber, Gotchard) where the main rider gets a new ultimate form in the final episode, only for it to just be the main costume (unless there are others I'm missing). Does anyone else think it's kinda lazy? It's like the writers want the symbolism of the base form being used to beat the big bad, only to realize that the big bad is too powerful for that to make sense. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it reeks of wanting to have your cake and eat it too

[takenoko]

Writing up the stats for the "new" Riders was funny
https://wiki.tvnihon.com/wiki/Kamen_Rid ... teamHopper

Ultima Gotchard has 101 in all his stats, which is ridiculous considering this base form is now stronger than his ultimate form:
https://wiki.tvnihon.com/wiki/Kamen_Rid ... w_Gotchard

Meanwhile, Kamen Rider Eld has 99 in all his stats, since he's missing the last one percent and thus his abilities are incomplete

[ViRGE]

When I saw it, I thought "Oh, they are foreshadowing a forthcoming movie where they time travel backwards and somehow Rinne helps Houtarou up as well.

Dudes. Dudes. I know it's been like 34805409530 years since the beginning but it's a callback to episode 1 when she helps him up after he bumps into her.

https://i.imgur.com/kfR38vR.jpeg

Thanks for the reminder, Luna. It has indeed been a year since I last saw that episode, so I forgot all about that scene.

I'm still not sure what to make of the two of them continuing to hold hands afterwards, though.

So that's now 3 seasons (Zero-One, Saber, Gotchard) where the main rider gets a new ultimate form in the final episode, only for it to just be the main costume (unless there are others I'm missing). Does anyone else think it's kinda lazy? It's like the writers want the symbolism of the base form being used to beat the big bad, only to realize that the big bad is too powerful for that to make sense. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it reeks of wanting to have your cake and eat it too

1) You're right. It's more than just a couple of series at this point, and is on the path to becoming a bona fide KR trope. On the one hand, the base form of a rider remains the most iconic. So I can see why they want to get back to them. On the other hand, if the ultimate forms weren't a massive departure from the base forms to begin with, they wouldn't have this problem. Either way, this is an ugly compromise that doesn't make much sense given how rigid the power scaling is in most KR series.

2) I totally initially read that as "have your sake and eat it too"

[Zerato]

You're right. It's more than just a couple of series at this point, and is on the path to becoming a bona fide KR trope. On the one hand, the base form of a rider remains the most iconic. So I can see why they want to get back to them. On the other hand, if the ultimate forms weren't a massive departure from the base forms to begin with, they wouldn't have this problem. Either way, this is an ugly compromise that doesn't make much sense given how rigid the power scaling is in most KR series.

I think Fourze is still my favorite instance of how to do it properly. Gen spends the entire fight with Sagittarius cycling through the various States, uses Cosmic to warp back to the school, throws hands in civilian mode, then finishes him off in Base States. Combining that with the speeches from the other club members did a great job of showcasing just how far everyone has come over the course of the series.

Damn, now I'm thinking how cool it would've been to have this show crossover with Fourze. Gen and Hou are similar enough personality wise that I think they'd have a great student-teacher dynamic.

2) I totally initially read that as "have your sake and eat it too"

I'm now going to pretend that this is what I meant lol

[Ghost23]

OK I had to give this series 4 stars even though it dragged quite a bit the last 20 or so eps. Only because this is the first time the secondary riders gotten upgrades. Spanner getting upgraded twice!!! Nice to see them not staying the same or just getting a strong weapon like some of the other KR series. So what happens to his fire attachment, it didn't become the red one like his future self. Also I gone through all those episode and they still didn't show who his father is!!! I thought he was finally gonna show up in the end at least. Is the guy dead? They make it seem like he is on some sort of research expedition.

[Gokider]

So that's now 3 seasons (Zero-One, Saber, Gotchard) where the main rider gets a new ultimate form in the final episode, only for it to just be the main costume (unless there are others I'm missing). Does anyone else think it's kinda lazy? It's like the writers want the symbolism of the base form being used to beat the big bad, only to realize that the big bad is too powerful for that to make sense. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but it reeks of wanting to have your cake and eat it too

1) You're right. It's more than just a couple of series at this point, and is on the path to becoming a bona fide KR trope. On the one hand, the base form of a rider remains the most iconic. So I can see why they want to get back to them. On the other hand, if the ultimate forms weren't a massive departure from the base forms to begin with, they wouldn't have this problem. Either way, this is an ugly compromise that doesn't make much sense given how rigid the power scaling is in most KR series.

Geats did have the final fight start with Ace appearing in his base form with "For Desire" added after the usual "Ready! Fight!" before switching to his final form to finish things with the other riders using their base forms after their (then) final forms were undone.

I gone through all those episode and they still didn't show who his father is!!! I thought he was finally gonna show up in the end at least. Is the guy dead? They make it seem like he is on some sort of research expedition.

At least the Pokémon parallels were consistent to the end.

[Lunagel]

At this point the only possible satisfactory resolution would have been to have it be a cameo by Takaiwa Seiji and even then I would've been aghast that someone as cool as Takaiwa had a loser kid like Houtaro

[takenoko]

Hopefully that actor gets his act together and improves a lot beyond this. It's only up from here

[SVNBob]

lol Lakhesis's veil. Why the purple ribbon?

That wasn't a ribbon; it was Spanner's tie. He'd used it as a makeshift bandage for her hand in the previous episode.

[takenoko]

oh, good catch

[takenoko]

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