Kamen Rider Revice 25 Discussion thread

[takenoko]

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Last episode rating: 4.43 of 5 stars (7 votes)

What is that ugly Revice form in the Super Hero Time promo?

Disappointed that Vail isn't Bael...

Why is Oltec taking orders from that weirdo

What's Karizaki jr up to? I thought Ikki and Vice are good. Oh he was born to be a mad scientist

Oh right, the Ikki/Vice situation

Vail has a cool voice

Why's Aguillera suddenly care about people? She didn't before

"Our fans are starting to include older men. How can we appeal to them?" "Let's have the dad transform" And thus ossan rider was born

Hmmm, not quite the Kabuto I was hoping for heh

Again why does anyone trust Olteca?

Vail's suit design is interesting, but I don't love that orangish brown color. Demons was cooler

What? Boo-san is in on it too? And why can't he tell them what he knows? Stop raising new mysteries and questions, this isn't Lost

Oooh, that's why he's named Genta. Nothing subtle about this stuff lol (gen/moto means "source" in Japanese)

The big twist is that the siblings have devil DNA in them? I mean I guess? I feel like this might have been stronger as a premise to start the show, but I dunno

Oh, and don't stand next to Giff's coffin, I guess? Did they need to fill 5 seconds of the episode?

I wonder how many photos and drawings they get regularly. Just two group of showings this week?

KR Vail had a cool introduction. Didn't find the twist all that shocking or satisfying. Who did KR Vail fight against when he was a Kamen Rider? I kind of wonder if Vice just acts like a dumbass to protect Ikki. Was it Karizaki's dad's idea to make a weird Rider system based on stamps and ink? Maybe it's a cultural thing, but stamps aren't that cool to me

[HowlingSnail]

How old is Ikki? Because if that flashback is before Sakura was born, he looks way too old there. The fire thing in general seems like it should have been mentioned before.

You know George, it's hard to take this serious story you're telling seriously when you keep referring to your father as "Daddy".

[takenoko]

I laugh every time he says it. Da-duh

[Connie_Edogawa]

Disappointed that Vail isn't Bael...

same.

Why is Oltec taking orders from that weirdo

he's the old dude that recruited him into Deadmans, right?

Vail has a cool voice

That's the Japanese voice for Seto Kaiba, for anyone curious. he was also the giraffe in Revue Starlight, and he shows up in a bunch of other stuff, too, including that CGI Ultraman cartoon Netflix did a while back.

Why's Aguillera suddenly care about people? She didn't before

the implication I've been getting, between this and her wanting Julio/Tamaki to be kept safe is that her attitude has been changing ever since she got betrayed that first time and was told she was actually going to be a sacrifice to Gifu rather than his bride, and she empathizes with people a bit more now.

The big twist is that the siblings have devil DNA in them? I mean I guess? I feel like this might have been stronger as a premise to start the show, but I dunno

I like the twist, ngl. up to this point, we thought anyone could've been a rider if they just had the strength of will to control their inner demons, and it's just that circumstances kept leading to this one family getting belts while Hiromi's having an external demon inside it was a surprise, but now we're finding out that's not the case, and that explains why Hiromi couldn't use the Revice driver in episode 1, and why Daiji was selected in the first place.

Oh, and don't stand next to Giff's coffin, I guess? Did they need to fill 5 seconds of the episode?

I think that was to show that Gifu is becoming WAY more active, if it can just reach out and absorb people now, rather than needing to absorb fallen demons.

Was it Karizaki's dad's idea to make a weird Rider system based on stamps and ink? Maybe it's a cultural thing, but stamps aren't that cool to me

he was designing it based on the Gifu stamp, right? that's probably why he made it the way it is?

other note: I laughed my ass off when it showed babby George experimenting on some rock as a kid and they had the little kid say "goddamn"

[takenoko]

How old is Ikki? Because if that flashback is before Sakura was born, he looks way too old there. The fire thing in general seems like it should have been mentioned before.

It's not listed on the asahi page, but his actor is 23 and Sakura's actress is 19, if that rough guideline helps

Disappointed that Vail isn't Bael...

same.

https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/revice/rider/vail/
It's like, Toei, please get someone to consult with when doing these names. All your other stuff is based on real words that reference something in the real world, Demons, Evil, Live, Jeanne. Bael would reference an actual demon name and go along with the Demons Driver theme. But his name is Vail?! It's not even a real word! Stop naming a character then having their Rider name be that character's name, is the most creatively bankrupt thing!

https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/revice/rider ... stand.html
The other thing that pisses me off is that the official name for Revice's evil form is Jack Form. But it's Jakku, the Japanese word for evil... Call it a word in English or don't use Japanese, but don't change a Japanese word into Jack, that's a dude's name! It's dumb beyond belief

>he's the old dude that recruited him into Deadmans, right?

I guess, but Oltec is a dick. He's totally going to betray gloves man (I forget his name) at some point

Vail has a cool voice

That's the Japanese voice for Seto Kaiba, for anyone curious.[/quote]

Oh that's rad! Thanks for letting me know that

>her attitude has been changing ever since she got betrayed that first time and was told she was actually going to be a sacrifice to Gifu rather than his bride, and she empathizes with people a bit more now.

Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for explaining that.

>I think that was to show that Gifu is becoming WAY more active, if it can just reach out and absorb people now, rather than needing to absorb fallen demons.

But in the last 5 seconds of the episode? I'm not even sure if I'll remember this moment next week and I'm willing to bet that they won't even reference this moment. "Hey has anyone seen Sarah around? No? Maybe she just quit after cleaning the demon coffin. No one check the security camera footage"

>other note: I laughed my ass off when it showed babby George experimenting on some rock as a kid and they had the little kid say "goddamn"

That made me laugh too. Karizaki isn't my favorite character but he has his moments

[Connie_Edogawa]

https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/revice/rider ... stand.html
The other thing that pisses me off is that the official name for Revice's evil form is Jack Form. But it's Jakku, the Japanese word for evil... Call it a word in English or don't use Japanese, but don't change a Japanese word into Jack, that's a dude's name! It's dumb beyond belief

oh, I never even considered Jakku, actually. when I first saw the katakana for the set, I read it as Jack Revice, and assumed it was because the first time they used it, and based on all preview information up until it actually happened and Vice turned out to still be a good guy, the implication seemed to be that Vice pulled a Kagerou and took over Ikki's body intentionally, meaning it was a forced possession. or, in other words, he was hi-jack-ing Ikki's body.

[takenoko]

https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/revice/rider ... stand.html
The other thing that pisses me off is that the official name for Revice's evil form is Jack Form. But it's Jakku, the Japanese word for evil... Call it a word in English or don't use Japanese, but don't change a Japanese word into Jack, that's a dude's name! It's dumb beyond belief

oh, I never even considered Jakku, actually. when I first saw the katakana for the set, I read it as Jack Revice, and assumed it was because the first time they used it, and based on all preview information up until it actually happened and Vice turned out to still be a good guy, the implication seemed to be that Vice pulled a Kagerou and took over Ikki's body intentionally, meaning it was a forced possession. or, in other words, he was hi-jack-ing Ikki's body.

Oh maybe. Thouser does have all those moves called Jacking Break where he steals the other character's powers

Don't really see a description on tv-asahi or the wiki that says either way. Also just noticed that the word Jack or Jakku doesn't appear anywhere in the episode dialogue. So bizarre

[Lunagel]

I was under the assumption that his name is spelled Veil. It makes more sense because a) it's an actual thing and b) it's an anagram of evil/live.

[Connie_Edogawa]

Don't really see a description on tv-asahi or the wiki that says either way. Also just noticed that the word Jack or Jakku doesn't appear anywhere in the episode dialogue. So bizarre

yeah, so far I've only seen it names in the opening credits, magazine scans, and the toy boxes.
also, is this the first form they've had that was Revice and not Revi and Vice, or do the other forms go by the Revice name anyway?

I was under the assumption that his name is spelled Veil. It makes more sense because a) it's an actual thing and b) it's an anagram of evil/live.

that makes sense. could also be about the fact that their dad was basically dying/dead and was brought back by fusing Gifu cells into him, so the demon brought him back from "beyond the veil"

[takenoko]

>yeah, so far I've only seen it names in the opening credits, magazine scans, and the toy boxes.
also, is this the first form they've had that was Revice and not Revi and Vice, or do the other forms go by the Revice name anyway?

Yeah, on the Japanese wiki they have Revi then Vice, then a whole new section for Revice

I was under the assumption that his name is spelled Veil. It makes more sense because a) it's an actual thing and b) it's an anagram of evil/live.

But Evil/Live is Daiji's thing. Maybe Veil will be his cool fourth quarter new persona .

[Thenosa Yechette]

Revice 25:
Whoa! Just, whoa! What a crazy week for Super Hero Time.... Donbrothers debut and Revice dropping the bomb like that!...... For Revice, this week's episode gets a 5/5 from me....

Oh, man!! Young George is so cute!!! But still has a bad mouth....

Vice's tail is attached ALL WRONG.... Man.... That's pathetic...
But I still find it amusing that they are making Ikki's actor portray Vice too.... He's doing good. And I am certain that he is enjoying portraying Vice as well .....

Daiji was in charge of holding Vice... No wonder Vice isn't under control.... They should've given this job to Sakura instead. She would have done a better job at holding Vice down.

Isn't Lovekov always acting weird? I don't remember anytime where she wasn't acting weird....

Dad talked about his chest pain but no one suspected heart problems? Hmmm.....

Aguilera has a heart.... Aww.... She's not so bad after all....

Huh? Why did Orteka tell Aguilera to wait? What's she supposed to wait for?

Ok, the dad's gonna transform? Wow....

So, the demon has the dad's heart? That's how he he got rid of his demon, by getting rid of his heart? That sounds like he's as good as dead.....  I knew that the heart problem had something to do with his inner demon or something, bad this is quite something....

Vwil's design is reminding me of those robots from Zero-One....

Aguilera, you should know by now that Orteka is a traitor by nature.....

So Buu-san is dad's confidant? That's why he always says that he can't say anything...

Was Vice 'born' from Ikki during this incident, or did he first 'appear' in front of Ikki during this incident? They're not explaining this demon thing very well....

Vice was the hero during the fire accident and the dad was the villain... Lol. Ironies and historical inaccuracies... But what exactly did Vice do to protect the family? Why didn't they show that?

Why is Sakura so surprised that the dad has a demon? Doesn't EVERYONE have a demon in the Revice world? Again, not explaining it properly...

The dad is basically now the host of Gifu? Since he is fused with Gifu so it makes him the host of Gifu, right?

I did not expect that.... Our main thee riders are the children of Gifu itself.... That's why their demons are so strong.....

And who did Gifu eat at the end? The recurring pretty doctor?

This episode had a lot of story this time.... The pace skyrocketed this time... Now that I look back, it was pretty good seeding. Although I would appreciate if the story that was revealed in this episode was revealed in more parts than as a huge chunk.... Quite a lot to process at once....

Anyways, great episode! Liked it a lot....

Next time, more fighting between Daiji and Kagerou.... Why do they keep making them fight? Come to terms with each other, already!!! Ugh.....

How old is Ikki? Because if that flashback is before Sakura was born, he looks way too old there. The fire thing in general seems like it should have been mentioned before.

It's not listed on the asahi page, but his actor is 23 and Sakura's actress is 19, if that rough guideline helps

From this episode, and Ikki's actors age I'm guessing Ikki's around 23-24, maybe. And correction, Sakura's actress is 18(will turn 19 this year), it says so on her Instagram profile. I also heard she had COVID recently, so hope she's feeling better now.

Oh he was born to be a mad scientist

Considering that he fused Genta with a demon and is the leader of Weekend currently, George's dad is the mad scientist here, imo.

Why's Aguillera suddenly care about people? She didn't before

She did, technically. She abandoned Tamaki because apparently she cared about him.

Again why does anyone trust Olteca?

To fulfill their super selfish and evil desires.... ?

Oh, and don't stand next to Giff's coffin, I guess?

That looks more like a fossil to me than coffin. Then why do they keep calling it a coffin?

Who did KR Vail fight against when he was a Kamen Rider?

I thought that he fought against the Deadmans that existed back then, or he just fought whoever he was ordered to fight against by Fenix....

Was it Karizaki's dad's idea to make a weird Rider system based on stamps and ink? Maybe it's a cultural thing, but stamps aren't that cool to me

This article has some info about the background of vistamps, so maybe that explains something?
http://ukiyaseed.weebly.com/ukiyaseeds- ... M2LP0i5V7M

other note: I laughed my ass off when it showed babby George experimenting on some rock as a kid and they had the little kid say "goddamn"

Fortunately this isn't American television... Or people would probably be complaining instead of laughing at a kid saying "Goddamn" (and pronouncing it incorrectly ) in a kids' show... Although I didn't really expect them going as far as making a kid say that... 

I was under the assumption that his name is spelled Veil. It makes more sense because a) it's an actual thing and b) it's an anagram of evil/live.

Same here... I just thought of 'Veil' when I heard them say it for the first time...

[Phoenix512]

I imagine that Ikki is probably in his mid-20s since the fire took place 18 years ago which based on the flashback, kid Ikki was around 5-7 years old.

I'm glad that Tsuda Kenjiro is Vail. I just hope Vail stays around unlike when he voiced Oma Zi-O's henchman.

[takenoko]

>So Buu-san is dad's confidant? That's why he always says that he can't say anything...

This is the weird contradiction that is Vice. The crazy mile-long vision this show has, but used to poor effect. We see Buu-san from episode 1, but they don't give him a character or personality or interesting things that are memorable to do before this point

>And who did Gifu eat at the end? The recurring pretty doctor?

Nah, it was just some random researcher. That doctor needs to be back to give bad news for other Riders lol. We still don't know why Ikki is disappearing from photos and shit

>She did, technically. She abandoned Tamaki because apparently she cared about him.

I mean, bad guys can care about 1-2 people in their group. Aguilera was all about people sacrificing themselves to Giff up until she got put on the chopping block

>To fulfill their super selfish and evil desires.... ?

Hmm, not sure Aguilera was being selfish or evil here. Or the cult followers. Or Pat-3 either?

[Thenosa Yechette]

Hmm, not sure Aguilera was being selfish or evil here. Or the cult followers. Or Pat-3 either?

Then how do we classify Aguilera's wishes from the audience's perspective? She is still trying to revive Gifu because she had dedicated her whole life to being his bride... But at one point I question, isn't this a bit selfish of her? She should very well know that Gifu is evil, right? Then trying revive him isn't anything but selfish of her, imo.
The cult followers and Chigusa believed that the Deadmans would be able to establish justice in some way/form, that's probably why they were willing to work for Orteka and/or sacrifice themselves. Although, sacrificing themselves is pretty much done against their will. But I think they should know by now after seeing all those people being turned to Gifterians that being a part of this cult also means laying your life down. Clearly Orteka hasn't found any member who he thinks is worthy enough to be spared and be used for some other purpose like information gathering or whatever....

[takenoko]

I dunno, I think it's just sloppy writing since I think Aguilera's kind of an inconsistent character. She's most fun just messing with Sakura. Anything more serious than that, I'm not too sure always follows through or makes sense for her