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King-Ohger 26 discussion post

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Ratings: 4.45 out of 5 (11 votes)

Why do the Bugnarok soldiers keep fighting? It defies sense that they'd follow Deznarok

What? Why is Jeremie challenging Deznarok to an honrable duel and giving him his weapon? This is only the second dumbest thing besides almost destroy the planet

No opening this week?

/me tries to wrap his brain around the Bugnarok being something humanlike that became bug people because they ate the Shugods. Is it tragic?

What is this backstory for Deznarok?

I like Jeremie using his spider legs. Now if only the other rangers would use their bug appendages

I like Himeno's wig this week

Is this a good lesson for conflict resolution for kids?

Oh no, Kamejiimu was behind it all? I guess we were all expecting him to be the secondary antagonist after Deznarok. You can clearly see the spear isn't in Deznarok, it's quite a cheap effect

He pushed Jeremie like one foot away, how is that outside the blast radius lol

So 20 pilots aren't required to summon God King-Ohger every time? That's disappointing

Why was Kamejiimu so bent on the fighting continuing? It feels like he and Deznarok swapped positions from the last episode. It's sloppy

What a short series. I wonder what the next Sentai will be

I mean, it was an enjoyable enough episode, but it just feels like there's no worldbuilding consistency in this series at all. Like the bad guys can't keep track of their wants or goals and swap as needed to create a scenario where they fight the good guys. Should we feel sorry for the Bugnarok, or are they subhuman animals that kill each other indiscriminately while also feeding on Shugods? Are the SHugods bad and just human allies out of convenience?
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I wonder if the new head writer cannot manage the whole 50 episodes of Sentai. So after episode 26, he must create a new villain, new story to continue the format 50 episodes of Sentai.
If his writing skill was good, he would add more event, develop backstory for the boss, add more general for villain, rather than the result of episode 25 and 26.
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I don't mind the story ending at 26 and starting a new chapter for the second half. I just wish the writing had been better? There's some good ideas in this, that are horribly implemented
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Ah yes, the age old philosophy of the endless cycle of war. Each side repeatedly fights and takes revenge on the other side's actions, to the point where no one remembers why the war started in the first place, until someone sees through all the hatred and break the cycle. It's a good concept, but it didn't have enough build-up to be executed well here.

Not enough time was given to portrayed Deznarok as a tragic villain. A man who was kind deep down but was bound by history and his responsibilities as a king, to the point it pushed him off the deep end. We didn't learn any of these stuff before this episode.

I was hoping Kamejiimu was there to usurp Deznarok, or at least give a reason for his actions like he hated humans or something. Just wanting the world to keep burning for no reason was kind of one-note. Though I always thought Kamejiimu's "eyes" looked like a sci-fi visor and didn't fit well with the other bugs. That laser he summoned clearly came from space. If he's related to those dudes in the preview that may explained his looks and reasoning later.

The robot fight was just anti-climatic. There's no reason for Kamejiimu to grow giant, with his smarts he should know he can't win against God King-ohger. And the chirpy music didn't go well with the overall serious tone of the episode.

Standalone this episode was enjoyable, the interactions between Jeremie and Deznarok were well written, but the overall world building was just lacking.
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I got to say that was incredible making the two kids the ones that were the lynch pin in the attack that was cool!
It was nice change of pace to say the least
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If you had told me that this and the previous episode were the two-part series finale, I would have absolutely believed you. There's a distinct degree of finality here that drives home the point that they're bookending something, though obviously not the show itself.

Flipping things around from how Sentai normally does things, it's this final episode that ended up being the more talky of the two. Not that there wasn't action, but it was not nearly as action focused as the previous episode. It leaves plenty of time for exposition - something that's badly needed to wrap up the current arc - though not all of that was good exposition.

At a high level, I get where the show's major plots have been going for, and where many of them wrapped up here. But I'm not especially impressed with the execution. Perhaps it's because the show lacked the traditional small, well-defined arcs that we typically see from a Sentai, but the net result is that things have been kind of messy since the start. And the characterization of the Bugnarok is certainly a part of that. Writing a compelling antagonist who isn't also outright evil is a very tough act, especially as the writers need a reason to keep the fighting going to the very end. Deznarok being pissed about being left out of the rest of society is understandable, but it doesn't mesh well with a lot of his other actions earlier in the series. I don't know if this was always in the series bible or not, but regardless, it's a revelation that comes too late for the audience to fully digest it.

The whole thing is rather soapy at times. Which, to be sure, is a description that can be applied to most Sentai series at one point or another. But King-Ohger in particular spends a lot of time meandering around with melodrama. Thankfully, these last few episodes have been more eventful in advancing the series' plots, and above all else, accomplishing things. But there are still a lot of platitudes being thrown around that have me agreeing with Kamejiimu at times.

All of which leads me to what I believe is the question of the hour: what (if anything) is going on with the production of King-Ohger?

We haven't seen a Sentai do a hard pivot like this since Go-Busters 11 years ago, when the series did a soft reboot of sorts and then immediately went on to defeating Messiah. In Go-Busters, the heroes went in with their ultimate clusterzord and beat up the big bad of the series up until that point, and then moved on to something new(ish). Does that seem familiar to anyone else?

I don't keep up with the scuttlebutt of production matters. But all of this has me wondering if Toei is trying to do a similar mid-season shift for King-Ohger. Or perhaps I'm reading too much into things? It's not like Sentai hasn't cycled though big bads before, but it's usually not done with so much vigor and absoluteness to it. Whatever is coming next would seem to be a rather hard pivot from what the show has been up to thus far...
takenoko wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:12 pm No opening this week?
That's how you know it's a Very Special Episode. (Also, it's not like they had a shortage of material to get through)
/me tries to wrap his brain around the Bugnarok being something humanlike that became bug people because they ate the Shugods. Is it tragic?
I don't get it. If eating the shugod souls ultimately kills you, how do you end up passing down bug-like characteristics to your progeny?
You can clearly see the spear isn't in Deznarok, it's quite a cheap effect
Yep. Though this episode was kind of cheap in general, save the location shots in the caves.
So 20 pilots aren't required to summon God King-Ohger every time? That's disappointing
That requirement was never going to last. Not when it mean rounding up a dozen recurring characters and extras. As a one-off event it's awesome; as a repeating event it's a time sink that would grind the story to a halt.
Why was Kamejiimu so bent on the fighting continuing? It feels like he and Deznarok swapped positions from the last episode. It's sloppy
I had just been wondering where our favorite triple-talking bug had been, as well. At this point it's the kaiju equivalent of "the butler did it". It makes things more tragic, but it's kind of unsatisfying as a twist.
Yaiba wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:22 am Though I always thought Kamejiimu's "eyes" looked like a sci-fi visor and didn't fit well with the other bugs. That laser he summoned clearly came from space. If he's related to those dudes in the preview that may explained his looks and reasoning later.
He's always looked a bit different than the rest of the bugs, though I had always ascribed that to his role within the group as the silver-tongued vizier. But you make a very good point; given the next episode preview, there's clearly more meaning to his design.
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>I don't know if this was always in the series bible or not, but regardless, it's a revelation that comes too late for the audience to fully digest it.

I don't know if it has a show bible, but there's only one writer credited to the series. So it's not like he handed it off to someone else and they screwed it up and made it inconsistent. The writer's redemption of Deznaraku is literally to use a "save the cat" trope and show that he was nice to this robot spider. It's almost laughable how badly it's done in contrast to his behavior the rest of the time

>All of which leads me to what I believe is the question of the hour: what (if anything) is going on with the production of King-Ohger?

Ooh, do you think the writer got kicked off because the story's not doing well? Well he's still writing the next episode...
/me tries to wrap his brain around the Bugnarok being something humanlike that became bug people because they ate the Shugods. Is it tragic?
I don't get it. If eating the shugod souls ultimately kills you, how do you end up passing down bug-like characteristics to your progeny?

Speaking of which, the reveal that the food that makes them giants is Shugod Souls... So were the locust Shugods aligned with the Bugnaraku? Or were they being hunted for food, which is why there's a mass grave? If so, what's this about wanting to protect the tiny spider Shugod, why's that one an exception? And we're halfway through the series and the mystery of who killed Himeno's parents is still not revealed. It acted as a red herring with Jeremie, but with all the terrestrial enemies down and moving into a space arc, is it going to be revealed the space insects did it??
Yaiba wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:22 am Though I always thought Kamejiimu's "eyes" looked like a sci-fi visor and didn't fit well with the other bugs. That laser he summoned clearly came from space. If he's related to those dudes in the preview that may explained his looks and reasoning later.
He's always looked a bit different than the rest of the bugs, though I had always ascribed that to his role within the group as the silver-tongued vizier. But you make a very good point; given the next episode preview, there's clearly more meaning to his design.
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I guess he's supposed to be a robotic version of one of these guys. But yeah, it's weird that he's so inorganic looking:
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