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[takenoko]

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Ratings for last episode: 4.55 of 5 stars (11 votes)

Huh, guess you guys liked Rinne's Rider debut

Stop touching Atropos, that really creeps me out. yes, go play with your dolls instead

What was that flashback

Ha, yo-yo

Why couldn't the two problems be that A) Spanner is a bad character B) Let a lady be the second Rider this time

6+6 doesn't add up to 10

You know you're in the past because geryon is wearing white

Spanner's parents seem as boring as he is

Oh no, they have the faiz disease

What, spanner had amnesia too?? How lazy is this writer?

Spanner gets to be a Rider and a monster? neat

Why don't they use Kyouka's place as their new base?

Oh, that's how she got those scars

Is it weird that Spanner's backstory makes me like Kyouka more than Spanner himself?

That's a lot of text on screen for a show that doesnt usually have it lol

"Put a bandaid on Rinne's face, but not in a way that'd get in the way of her beauty" is probably what some toei exec said

Oh no, are Rinne's lines all going to be about rules and laws?

Spanner, only you could make being a dark Rider completely boring

Preview: Don't worry about any conflict made up entirely for these two episodes, they clearly get resolved in the next one since we see Spanner's Rider form. Your series has problems if Rinne has a more interesting character than the rival/secondary/tertiary Rider

[Connie_Edogawa]

6+6 doesn't add up to 10

I actually saw a great joke about that back when the toy for the GotcharIgniter came out last month and it explained that Valvarad uses Vehicle + Occult of matching numbers:

in Yu-Gi-Oh! terms, Gotchard and Majade are both using Synchro summon, where two cards whose levels add up to the level of the end result, but Valvarad is using Xyz summon, where two cards of the same level are used to summon a monster who, instead of a level made of light colored stars going from right to left, has a rank made of dark colored stars, usually the same number as the materials used, and a black border.

in short X + Y = Z vs X + X = X but dark and twisted, which is now extra fitting since we know he's got dark powers.

[takenoko]

in Yu-Gi-Oh! terms, Gotchard and Majade are both using Synchro summon, where two cards whose levels add up to the level of the end result, but Valvarad is using Xyz summon, where two cards of the same level are used to summon a monster who, instead of a level made of light colored stars going from right to left, has a rank made of dark colored stars, usually the same number as the materials used, and a black border.

in short X + Y = Z vs X + X = X but dark and twisted, which is now extra fitting since we know he's got dark powers.

"I need to make the bad man say something. Execute order 666. No that's too demonic. Execute order 6. But then it seems like they don't get many orders. Execute order 66. Perfect!"

[Mxylv]

Huh. I think it improved Spanner? The change in tone from most previous episodes was jarring, with massive differences in story, subject matter (childhood PTSD?), or even makeup; I think this was the intent, but I'm still not sure whether it worked. It feels more like a TTFC special or V-Cinema than a proper episode, and on that level it's pretty solid. Spanner becoming a MotW feels like a combination of Donbrothers' Kijibrother and Geats' instances of Kekera messing with Kaiwa, and Spanner himself really needs something to indicate he (rather than just the circumstances) changed since his bully + catchphrase introduction--which we don't quite have yet, but it looks like that's where this is headed.

This show feels almost custom made to have us wonder whether Spanner's going to be the secondary or tertiary rider. Much like Buffa, he fits the template to a T and showed up in some kind of armor before Rinne did, but he really isn't the second most important armored hero, and he almost goes meta when wondering why he isn't a rider already if Rinne is. There seems to be an effort on Toei's part to shift away from the concept of secondaries in favor of a smaller version of Sentai's "main + the rest" cast, with one of the core gang being female both this and last year (I think Revice did it too, but I haven't seen that one). I'll certainly be curious what the dynamic over the next few years will look like, but by definition it's going to take a while.

[takenoko]

>This show feels almost custom made to have us wonder whether Spanner's going to be the secondary or tertiary rider. Much like Buffa, he fits the template to a T and showed up in some kind of armor before Rinne did, but he really isn't the second most important armored hero

It's kind of sloppy and inconsistent in some glaring ways. Like Sabi telling Houtarou "Watch out, you know how strong Spanner is" right after everyone else is like "Man, this guy sucks shit and loses compared to Houtarou each time. Even Rinne is clowning on this fool"

I guess we'll see, let's hope this is Spanner's start to becoming an actual character and not just a one off to introduce his new Rider form. We're already seeing Majade and Turbo Gotchard struggling against the monster of the week. At least give us some time to enjoy the new form before depowering it

[Yaiba]

MadWheel showed genuine concern for Spanner. Unfortunately it got sucked in by his malice.

Spanner first changed into Valvarad, then ripped his face plate off to transform into Wheel Malgam.

Minato's inaction was a logical choice, considering he's maintaining his cover and the parents were already 10 years ago. Didn't make that scene any less infuriating and heartbreaking.

Did... Spanner packed his bags when leaving the lab??? That's such a normal everyday thing to do considering he's literally turning into a monster...

I'm disappointed that the gimmick of Spanner's driver of using two cards with the same number (ie. not adding up to 10) was just a built-in function. Being the supposed talented alchemist he was, I was expecting Spanner to create his own alchemy technique to transform.

[takenoko]

Was no one goign to tell me that Geryon's actor is played by Haga Yuria's husband?
https://wiki.tvnihon.com/wiki/Kamakari_Kenta

[FangTrigger]

This is the first episode in a long time of watching Kamen Rider where I let out an disappointed "Aww!" when I got to the preview.

I was so invested in this episode that I lost track of time and wanted to see what came next.

[kangchan]

Valvarad should be 2nd Rider rather than Majade. I like the acting of Spanner, it is better than Houtaro and Rinne combine.
Don't know if they change the script lately, but this series gets more and more better after the New Year break.

[takenoko]

Don't know if they change the script lately, but this series gets more and more better after the New Year break.

Mr. Toei probably read this and did a fist pump or something

[resop2]

I think this series will continue to be watchable as long as Houtarou is a background character. They have lots of characters. Why not for the next bunch of episodes have the minor characters have two episode arcs? They are probably going to "Witches 5" the Hades sisters so each one can have a redemption and heroic death arc. We need background arcs for Osaka and mute boy (maybe Minato needs their rings and Rinne's ring like Endymion needed the Rainbow Crystals?). Minato/Endymion needs an origin and redemption arc. UFO boy probably could have a three episode arc where he regains his memory, becomes an OP rider, doesn't have the temperament for it, and voluntarily gets his memory re-wiped. Heck, why not bring back the guy who lost to Spanner and got his memory wiped? Or even have a two episode arc where they cross over with the sewing button faced sentai?

Anything other than focusing on the main rider would be fine.

[Ghost23]

Finally for the first time they are letting a female become a regular rider and not just some minor character/ passerby rider or a guest intro rider for the upcoming movie but an actual series regular. Maybe we might have a female main rider in the future if this keeps going. But why is it when a new rider is intro they are really bad ass but later they aren't so anymore. So is that new gotchard attachment slowly evolving into the orange form from the future, is that how it works?

[resop2]

Finally for the first time they are letting a female become a regular rider and not just some minor character/ passerby rider or a guest intro rider for the upcoming movie but an actual series regular. Maybe we might have a female main rider in the future if this keeps going. But why is it when a new rider is intro they are really bad ass but later they aren't so anymore. So is that new gotchard attachment slowly evolving into the orange form from the future, is that how it works?

If we were going to have a female main rider then the Toei executives would have to be convinced that this concept would sell toys. Since Toei sells Rider toys primarily to boys they would have to not make the boy rider characters look weak or uncool which would make it harder for the female rider to stand out. It can be done, but Toei hasn't demonstrated that it can make female riders that can do this.

On the other hand, Gotchard would have been a lot better with Rinne as Gotchard and Houtarou as the secondary rider/secret alchemist classmate. Then you could emphasize a potential love triangle with the three riders as opposed to Rinne friend-zoning Spanner and Houtarou for life. Also if glasses guy was Rinne's genki gal pal then they would not have looked so odd covering Pink Lady's UFO in costume.

As for why new riders are bad ass when intro-ed and then get wimpier over time, it's not their show. They are only there so the main rider realizes that they must power up.

Now Kamen Rider Tsukuyomi did get to transform once during the series (almost as an afterthought) but they were all over the movies. This was a better fate than Flint Tsuukaizer who invented her brother's power up but didn't get to power up until the movies.

[PHurricane]

This episode was such a let-down. I binged most of the series around Christmas and I was enjoying myself. The supporting cast is entertaining, the designs are interesting (sometimes in a good way, sometimes not so good), and the plot has been steadily moving forward even if it's not breaking any ground.

I was willing to give the acting by Houtarou and Rinne a pass initially - Houtarou's emoting could pass as him being an easily excitable teenager and Rinne's reservedness struck me as a clue that...well, let's just say she gave me big Koyomi vibes from the start. But the last couple episodes, since the new year? The acting from our Riders feels like it's getting worse.

And Spanner has been a dud for me since the beginning. The jerk rival archetype isn't a favorite of mine, but the actor doesn't feel like he's even pulling that off. The main villain is painfully one-note too. How can Rider get its casting so wrong that the three Riders and the lead villain are this bland?

(Although, to be fair to Geryon, his issues may stem from the writing more than his acting skills. It's hard to tell.)

Between the acting and the writing, this arc is doomed to failure. It's such a contrast to the mini-arc that saw Sabimaru possessed. I really thought they were going to kill him off, which made me want to keep watching. But this arc? Aside from the fact that we knew nothing about his parents before they dumped this "tragic" backstory on the audience, there's no stakes because it's obvious Spanner is going to overcome his trauma and officially become a rider in the blink of an eye. Blah plot performed by blah actors.

I think I'd be happier purging the three riders and Geryon and just having a show with the supporting cast and future!Gotchard in his suit as needed.

[takenoko]

I think I'd be happier purging the three riders and Geryon and just having a show with the supporting cast and future!Gotchard in his suit as needed.

That would have been an amazing shakeup lol