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Ratings for last episode: 3.67 of 5 stars (6 votes)

Oh, the train hands shoot off like mecha fists. Did Rinne sound weird when she said Ichinose?

What do the different ring colors mean???

Oh hey, isn't it your mission to watch out for Fuuga, Spanner?

Gotchard Man in the Iron Mask

Is this Ichinose before he got his face swapped? /me looks at Build

So even in the past Kyouka was watching out for Spanner

What is this art thing in the hallway?

Oh hey, Geryon can actually pull off making a rubiks cube scary. Some of those students are kind of old looking...

Who are the people in the grey clothes, are they also students? Minato didn't seem like he did anything to stop those students. Gotta say, this backstory doesn't feel like a very good justification for Minato's behavior

That fist malgam again

Sabi's the best

That was a weird CGI parry from Dread One

Wait what, is that where the episode ends? Minato just walking away from everyone and Geryon deciding he's a liability?

Huh, that preview. Will be interesting to see people's reactions given the Rider form fatigue already expressed so far. Also has the "If you can do that, why haven't you been all this time?"
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Judging by the fact that Minato went straight to Geryon when the Malgam appeared, it seemed that he was Geryon's prized student. So Geryon was just butthurt that his prized student chose to defy him, so he changed the thing Minato attacked him with into his main weapon and carried it 24/7. Then he held this incident over Minato's head with the fear that someone will die again if Minato disobeyed him. It's logical written on paper, but it might be more convincing to the viewers if Minato actually tried to stop the massacre but failed miserably to demonstrate just how hopeless the situation was.

Minato being in charged of dealing the MCs prevented Geryon from fighting them directly, and he managed to keep everyone alive so far. But based on Daybreak's future if Geryon succeeded everyone's going to die anyway.

I appreciated that they kept the events happened aligned. Like the reason why only Atropos was with Geryon when Spanner's parents confronted him, and Kyouka had a bloody arm after being slashed by Spanner's black flame alchemy.

Geryon couldn't see Kudou Fuuga or Edami Kyouka on his surveillance screens?

Approaching the end of the second quarter and the finale of the second arc is kicking off as well. Wonder will the big bad appear in the next arc.
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You know, I've never understood the claims about the two leads having wooden acting skills until this episode, specially the face Ichinose made when Steamliner dropped him off.

What was he going for? Anger? Frustration? Did he discover lemonparty? I just couldn't get an emotional read on him.

Iron Gotchard is alright in terms of looks. Kinda feel like the arm mounted trains would've been better off as fists instead, but, what can you do?

This redemption talk moment felt unearned. No other way to phrase it. Nothing anyone said really resonated with me and just felt too paint by numbers for everything he has done.
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What do the different ring colors mean???


Is this Ichinose before he got his face swapped? /me looks at Build
No explanation in story for the different ring colors. I just assume its a power thing and keep moving.

Explain the face swapping comment please?
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>I appreciated that they kept the events happened aligned. Like the reason why only Atropos was with Geryon when Spanner's parents confronted him, and Kyouka had a bloody arm after being slashed by Spanner's black flame alchemy.

Oh yeah, that's some good continuity

>You know, I've never understood the claims about the two leads having wooden acting skills until this episode, specially the face Ichinose made when Steamliner dropped him off.

It's because their line deliveries are delivered like a thudding bag of sand

>Explain the face swapping comment please?

In Build, the main character was a totally different guy who had his face swapped with someone else. I just feel like Minato's student who died is basically Ichinose with a different face. They basically say the same things
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Unfortunately, I think we're all generally on the same page here on fidning this episode underwhelming. The only things that really worked well were the action scenes; the plot and the character beats that set up all of this fell flat.
takenoko wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:06 pm What do the different ring colors mean???
As best as I can tell, it's a level of power/skill in alchemy. Ichinose needed a power transfer in order to be able to do the ancient alchemy required to make TenLiner. After which his ring reverted to blue.

Of course, it would be nice if they just explained these things.
Is this Ichinose before he got his face swapped? /me looks at Build
I didn't even have to look at this thread to have this thought. Minato's student is straight-up proto-Ichinose. It's an interesting idea, but having Minato bonding with proto-Ichinose instead of the actual Ichinose inadvertently undermines the emotional beats to come.
Huh, that preview. Will be interesting to see people's reactions given the Rider form fatigue already expressed so far. Also has the "If you can do that, why haven't you been all this time?"
I feel seen with this comment! Every 2 weeks for the last 3 months the show has introduced a major new rider or form. Form fatigue is real.
Yaiba wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:51 am Judging by the fact that Minato went straight to Geryon when the Malgam appeared, it seemed that he was Geryon's prized student. So Geryon was just butthurt that his prized student chose to defy him, so he changed the thing Minato attacked him with into his main weapon and carried it 24/7. Then he held this incident over Minato's head with the fear that someone will die again if Minato disobeyed him. It's logical written on paper, but it might be more convincing to the viewers if Minato actually tried to stop the massacre but failed miserably to demonstrate just how hopeless the situation was.

Minato being in charged of dealing the MCs prevented Geryon from fighting them directly, and he managed to keep everyone alive so far. But based on Daybreak's future if Geryon succeeded everyone's going to die anyway.
Bingo. The more I mull it over, the more I'm not even sure it's logical on paper. Or at least, the logical and emotional beats of that plot are badly disconnected.

Geryon wants to destroy the world. Helping Geryon do this does not keep the students safe; even if he's not killing them right now, he's going to kill them all later. It's a bad plan. Even if Minato isn't thinking clearly, it's still obviously a bad plan.
I appreciated that they kept the events happened aligned. Like the reason why only Atropos was with Geryon when Spanner's parents confronted him, and Kyouka had a bloody arm after being slashed by Spanner's black flame alchemy.
Agreed. They even had Klotho in her summer outfit. There have been past series that have struggled with continuity, so credit where credit is due.
FangTrigger wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:26 am This redemption talk moment felt unearned. No other way to phrase it. Nothing anyone said really resonated with me and just felt too paint by numbers for everything he has done.
Agreed. Minato hasn't had enough scenes, especially scenes interacting with the students outside of battle. So all of their pleas are very shallow. Coupled with the logical issues with Minato's plan, and this whole episode is dragged down by stupid plot contrivances and unearned emotional beats. :|
Yaiba wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:51 am Approaching the end of the second quarter and the finale of the second arc is kicking off as well. Wonder will the big bad appear in the next arc.
Is it too early to call Ichinose's dad as the big bad? If Rinne's old man is suddenly showing up and helping, then the law of conservation of good means that Ichinose's missing old man must be evil, right?
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Oh, the guy who plays Minato's pupil is the actor who was young Hikari from TOQ and young Tooma from LupinRangers. Sometimes kid actors stick around and become adult actors
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This is just a stupid aside, but shouldn't all of Ichinose's level X cards have staged a mass jailbreak by now? The whole thing about level X Chemys is that they "can't be contained," and that they reside in their cards and help Ichinose voluntarily. So they should be able to up and leave their cards, since Ichinose no longer has possession of them...
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ViRGE wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:07 am This is just a stupid aside, but shouldn't all of Ichinose's level X cards staged a mass jailbreak by now? The whole thing about level X Chemys is that they "can't be contained," and that they reside in their cards and help Ichinose voluntarily. So they should be able to up and leave their cards, since Ichinose no longer has possession of them...
I don't think the writers even remember that plot point
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Hence the naval-gazing aspect. Plot holes and Kamen Rider go together like Super Sentai and giant robots.

Now if I really wanted to be pedantic, I could ask why hasn't anyone tried to steal the Gotchard driver in the last 3 months to finally open the Dark Door. :lol:
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ViRGE wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:42 am Now if I really wanted to be pedantic, I could ask why hasn't anyone tried to steal the Gotchard driver in the last 3 months to finally open the Dark Door. :lol:
I think (I might have just imagined this, memory is unreliable) that Geryon has some throwaway line saying they can get it any time. It seems like his main focus now is to run mad experiments to power up the cards, for..... reasons??
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ViRGE wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:42 am
Now if I really wanted to be pedantic, I could ask why hasn't anyone tried to steal the Gotchard driver in the last 3 months to finally open the Dark Door. :lol:
Shh, if you start pointing out the holes in the villain's plan we'll be here all year.
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