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[takenoko]

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Ratings for last episode: 4 of 5 stars (7 votes)

We're halfway through the series, do you have all the cards yet?

I guess everyone is working at the restaurant now. LOL, Sabii literally has no eyes under his bangs now. How is their restaurant so busy, they literally had just 1 and a half employees up till now

I guess we're lucky that Minato's assassin is the one sister that is already plotting in secret with him. Although if Geryon did that on purpose and foresaw all this, I'll be kind of annoyed

Ohhh, it was a trap. I guess we can't complain about Geryon being a stupid villain

Wait, why does Atropos get a full body lol

What was that move, Spanner? Trying to jump off the roof?

Damn Minato, what would he have done if Spanner hadn't showed up

I guess I never noticed before there was a raised platform so you can sit cross legged at the table. Is that normal for Japanese restaurants?

So the laws just don't apply to Geryon. That's not very satisfying

Huh. Have we known Geryon's plan before this?

Hey yuou stupid kids, don't you see the monster coming out of the globe?

I feel like this is the best Malgam design so far. It's a colorful dragon, what's not to like?

I keep forgetting that Valvarad's thing is being the black flame. Like that feels like it should be a cooler thing than how it's presented in-series

Level 10s are just falling like wimps at this point

At least we're getting some time with the secondary riders

The writing and acting isn't always the best, but the colors and designs for the Riders/monsters are pretty nice

There's everyone's dad

That's the annoying thing about the movie not being available yet, how does Rinne and her dad have drivers?

Another banger of a Rider design

He's Kamen RIder WInd? His name is Fuuga, do you get it? You know, it's a nice design, but there's something especially toylike about it

Wasn't sure about t he flying, but that was a nice finisher too

Oh, is he dead already? What a twist

Hmm, that was a suspicious way to die. Oh wait, they literally just said that wasn't his real body

Has his eyes always been golden?

Are those cards in any sort of order?

What, another form? I mean, it looks sick and I did like Kamen RIder Fuuga, I mean Wind, but come on man... Rider fatigue!

Spoiler

oh god, is it cross hopper or x hopper???

[Connie_Edogawa]

We're halfway through the series, do you have all the cards yet?

I know you're being facetious, but unless we get really granular and count every rarity of every card released, meaning you bought all the toys, and every promo release of a thing (like the special Faiz card to promote the new movie or the CD of the opening theme with special versions of two cards), and the snacks that come with cards, and every alternate art "parallel rare" from each set and all, I'm close to having everything that matters so far (a LOT of cards are functional duplicates that just make the same sounds as other cards, so they're more for collecting than actually doing anything new, like all the secondary or evil riders just make the sounds for their series, i.e. G3 says Agito when used, or the Replichemys/Daybreak chemys just making normal chemy sounds). just waiting for my boxes of Phase:03 to arrive since that rounds out the base 100 Chemys plus MachWheel, TenLiner, and a spoiler for next week.

that said, there's still half the show to go, at least a 101st chemy, and also they already have preorders up for a Phase:04 set, so we're never going to be done.

Wait, why does Atropos get a full body lol

I think the implication is that the drivers are literally using alchemy to transform the users' entire bodies, so those are their bodies and not just suits? that way, Dread transforms Atropos' tiny child body into the regular Dread form?

Huh. Have we known Geryon's plan before this?

honestly, they keep adding or changing stuff to the plan so often, it's hard to keep track.

sometimes they want the belt, sometimes they need the chemys, sometimes they need neither, sometimes they need both.

Level 10s are just falling like wimps at this point

they played their hand way too early with doing stuff with the level 10s. instead of introducing them in November so they could use a bunch of them for the crossover movie, they should've had something like Fire Gotchard happen then and swapped Super Gotchard to be the post-movie powerup. they could've made the past couple months be a mini-arc befriending a different level 10 every other week. the sword Super Gotchard transforms with could be the item Houtarou made that gave him a power Flamin' Hot Gotcheetos didn't have, with the implication being that he HAD the level 10s in his collection, since he had all 100, but never had a way to use their power, and then as the arc catches up to here, the chemys are all stolen, and Geryon starts sending level 10 malgams at the group, which is why Houtarou needs to turn SteamLiner into TenLiner to match their level of power, and then next week's spoiler is how he surpasses them.

Hmm, that was a suspicious way to die. Oh wait, they literally just said that wasn't his real body

this raises the question of: was that even his real body in episode 1? if so, how did he survive, if he even DID survive? if not, why didn't he hide the driver away with his real self?

Are those cards in any sort of order?

not sure, because if I'm counting right, even if you filled in the two obvious gaps in the second row, that's still not 100 chemys, but also if there wasn't a specific order, why would the gaps be where they are?

What, another form? I mean, it looks sick and I did like Kamen RIder Fuuga, I mean Wind, but come on man... Rider fatigue!

Spoiler

oh god, is it cross hopper or x hopper???

answering the question in the spoiler and commenting on the preview

according to the cards and toys, it's CrossHopper, who works with TenLiner to be this year's equivalent of Barid + Volcano Rex/Primitive + Elemental Dragon/LaserBoost where it's one dangerous powerup made safe by adding a second powerup. also, Geryon's Dread form seems to use DaiOhni, as I expected, and it IS on the opposite side of Unicon's armor. I'm just surprised it's ONLY DaiOhni. maybe using all 3 at once is the supermode?

[takenoko]

> I'm close to having everything that matters so far

I mean if Geryon almost has all the cards then I'd hope the viewres do too lol

>that said, there's still half the show to go, at least a 101st chemy, and also they already have preorders up for a Phase:04 set, so we're never going to be done.

Set up the countdown timer till they reveal that Houtarou is the 101st Chemy

>I think the implication is that the drivers are literally using alchemy to transform the users' entire bodies, so those are their bodies and not just suits? that way, Dread transforms Atropos' tiny child body into the regular Dread form?

Yeah, but still kind of funny. Just reminds me of all those times the suit actor is a mismatch in size for the person they're portraying

>this raises the question of: was that even his real body in episode 1? if so, how did he survive, if he even DID survive? if not, why didn't he hide the driver away with his real self?

I think Kyouka knows more than she knows. When she sees him in the last episode, she's very much like "What are YOU doing HERE". I think his real body is trapped somewhere in Oroboros World

answering the question in the spoiler and commenting on the preview

according to the cards and toys, it's CrossHopper, who works with TenLiner to be this year's equivalent of Barid + Volcano Rex/Primitive + Elemental Dragon/LaserBoost where it's one dangerous powerup made safe by adding a second powerup. also, Geryon's Dread form seems to use DaiOhni, as I expected, and it IS on the opposite side of Unicon's armor. I'm just surprised it's ONLY DaiOhni. maybe using all 3 at once is the supermode?

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Right, but I thought all of those type of cards were supposed to have an X in the name

That museum has to be a real place right? Kids, come to this museum and Toei gets a kickback

[Connie_Edogawa]

Right, but I thought all of those type of cards were supposed to have an X in the name

given the last 2 natural level 10s are Dragonalos and Gaiard, that's apparently not necessarily the case. and even if we regard those two as an exception, consider:

Spoiler

from among the first 8 level 10s, the ones that DO have an X in their name, X Wizard and X Fortress are read as Cross Wizard and Ten Fortress. given that TenLiner is clearly written out with the word Ten instead of an X, it stands to reason that CrossHopper would be allowed to be written Cross instead of X as well. also, it could just be because they're evolved into level 10s instead of naturally being level 10 to start.

[takenoko]

Yeah, after translating the eps, there is an explanation for all the naming conventions and their exceptions

[Yaiba]

Oh Lakhesis, we all thought that was what Minato was doing. Turns out he just couldn't fight Geryon with alchemy again due to having PDST on the incident 10 years ago, and not playing any kind of 4D chess.

...Why the sudden French restuarant? It's such a strange vibe discusing world ending threats over gourmet French food.

KR Wind's design and color scheme is awesome, but please don't zoom in on the armor, it doesn't have the cool shiny metallic effect, it just look very plastic-y.

[Mxylv]

For possibly the first time since Geryon took over as the big bad, it feels like the story's really going somewhere! It's still mostly the villains who are doing the interesting stuff, though Kudou's dad stepping in certainly helped. It also looks like we're going to see what opening the Gate of Destruction--sorry, I mean the Door of Darkness--will do pretty soon, so looking forward to that. Kamen Rider Wind is pretty great, although it continues the previously mentioned fatigue issue, so I'm kind of mixed on it. It takes very careful writing to avoid making a show with this much merch look like a collection of 20-40 minute commercials for each toy strung together by a continuing story (which it's unfortunately starting to come across as), but Wind's henshin is by far the coolest I've seen in Gotchard--or perhaps any of the recent ones I've seen--and the fight sequence was little short of incredible.

I will say it was a little odd to have a morose death scene and then state seconds later that he isn't dead. I'm glad for Kudou, who doesn't need the angst of thinking her dad is dead again, but her simply believing his promise to meet her again would've kept some emotional weight while acknowledging that Wind isn't a one-episode rider. That feels like a more minor gripe in the grand scheme of things, though. All and all, though, this was a pretty solid episode!

Huh, that preview. Will be interesting to see people's reactions given the Rider form fatigue already expressed so far.

I flee to the blissful lie that Bandai are running out of toys to sell.

[takenoko]

>but Wind's henshin is by far the coolest I've seen in Gotchard--or perhaps any of the recent ones I've seen--and the fight sequence was little short of incredible.

It helps that dad has kind of a sexy voice

>I will say it was a little odd to have a morose death scene and then state seconds later that he isn't dead.

I mean, I'll give it to the writer here. You got to have both the death scene and keep the character around for his eventual villain reveal (There's no way a suit that good is going to be on the good guy's side)

>Oh Lakhesis, we all thought that was what Minato was doing. Turns out he just couldn't fight Geryon with alchemy again due to having PDST on the incident 10 years ago, and not playing any kind of 4D chess.

I mean, what is Minato thinking. Is he playing 5D chess and working out a plan to outfox Geryon?

>...Why the sudden French restuarant? It's such a strange vibe discusing world ending threats over gourmet French food.

Unfortunately, it's just shorthand for showing that Spanner is kind of a pompous, fancy lady, versus Kyouka being more down to earth

>KR Wind's design and color scheme is awesome, but please don't zoom in on the armor, it doesn't have the cool shiny metallic effect, it just look very plastic-y.

Heh

Edit: From the TV-Asahi page


oops, looks like someone forgot to put in the effect

[Lunagel]

I guess I never noticed before there was a raised platform so you can sit cross legged at the table. Is that normal for Japanese restaurants?

Not every restaurant but it's very, very common. I'll grant you that most restaurants in tourist-y or business areas don't usually have them, but a lot of family-run or even chain Japanese restaurants have them.

https://www.tamarokuto.or.jp/
This is the museum used in the episode, though notably the globe on the outside is just cgi

[ViRGE]

Oh nice, someone remembered that there's supposed to be a plot driving this power escalation fantasy! I was just talking about Level 10/X cards and the Dark Door last week, so while I don't claim to be clairvoyant, I don't claim to not be clairvoyant, either.

But seriously, while the show hasn't exactly been spinning its wheels (thanks to an unending tsunami of new forms), it hasn't really progressed the main plot. So I'm glad that much is back on track, and I hope it's leading somewhere interesting.

And an 8 year old became Dread? Surely that sets a record for the youngest Kamen Rider, right?

So the laws just don't apply to Geryon. That's not very satisfying

It's really not...

I feel like this is the best Malgam design so far. It's a colorful dragon, what's not to like?

It has a distinct "we're going to recycle this suit again and again" energy to it. So it's good that you like it, as we're probably be seeing it again.

He's Kamen RIder WInd? His name is Fuuga, do you get it? You know, it's a nice design, but there's something especially toylike about it

It's the heavy use of vinyl, and the general simplicity of it. One is left with the impression that this isn't a Rider we're going to see much of.

What, another form? I mean, it looks sick and I did like Kamen RIder Fuuga, I mean Wind, but come on man... Rider fatigue!

Spoiler

oh god, is it cross hopper or x hopper???

Calling it now: a tease reveal at the end of episode 27, followed by a proper fight at episode 28. That way the 2-episode cadence for new riders/forms remains unbroken.

[takenoko]

>Oh nice, someone remembered that there's supposed to be a plot driving this power escalation fantasy! I was just talking about Level 10/X cards and the Dark Door last week, so while I don't claim to be clairvoyant, I don't claim to not be clairvoyant, either.

Virgedamus

>And an 8 year old became Dread? Surely that sets a record for the youngest Kamen Rider, right?

I think she's 9, but yeah, someone check the guiness records
https://wiki.tvnihon.com/wiki/Kamen_Rider_Records
Don't know how accurate it is, but looks like 11 for yougn den-o was the previous one?

So the laws just don't apply to Geryon. That's not very satisfying

It's really not...

At least say it's related to him having it trapped in his rubik's cube or something

[FangTrigger]

Okay, I think we've been out of the actual plot of this show for too long, cause everything in this episode felt hollow for me.

Maybe it's just me, but I still feel like Minato is half of the character the show is hyping him up to be, and not the good half either. Lakhesis acting as the voice of the audience and trying to run away with him was a nice touch, but having Spanner just show up because deus ex machina demanded it killed the moment.

The love/hate relationship I have with Kamen Rider/Super Sentai movies that are cannon to the show is how I have to wait half a year + until it's translated so I can fill in the blanks continues with Gotchard and the Level Ten cards. I guess this means that

Spoiler

Alchemist's Alliance dude is dead, since that Wizard card is there.

https://www.tamarokuto.or.jp/
This is the museum used in the episode, though notably the globe on the outside is just cgi

Kinda figured as much. Hope they introduced a Gotchard/Kamen Rider themed exhibit.

When. I saw Ichinose about to get unalived, I said to myself 'The attack that saves him is gonna come from left to right, isn't it?' And sure enough, in comes Fuuga.

About Kamen Rider Wind: Love the armor, love the transformation, loved the fight we got out of him, but entirely has the wrong name. Kamen Rider Eclipse or something space/black hole themed would've worked.

[Watches Fuuga detransform]
Me: Okay, where's the bullshit?
[Geryon stabs him in the back]
Me: There it is.

The simulacrum excuse was an interesting out by the writer, so kudos to them on that. I was expecting him to give his ring to Rinne and him to die in her arms.

Wouldn't it have been smarter to just use Steamliner to travel to the Oroboros world instead of Tenliner so Ichinose could save his energy? Oh wait: that's a logical idea for characters in a children's show. Silly me.

Quick! Someone call Sora! The Door To Darkness is opening again!

Spoiler

Oh, goodie. Another new (unearned) form that I'll either love or hate. yay...

Are there any rumors out about the next Rider yet? I'm ready for Gotchard to end.

[Lunagel]

I guess this means that

Spoiler

Alchemist's Alliance dude is dead, since that Wizard card is there.

I wrote up a short synopsis of the winter movie here if you're curious as to how the plot was affected: viewtopic.php?t=26444

[Ghost23]

Is that image for the movie? There is a gold looking Decade in the background of it. Is Decade making another appearance in this one too? I feel like they are starting to drag it out on them not having most of the cards. I hope they remedy that soon, like next episode.

[takenoko]

In some ways, Kamen Rider bending over backwards to pat itself on the back for its past history kind of gets in its own way sometimes. Kamen RIder Wind and Gotchard himself are just more references to Ichigou. And SteamLiner/TenLiner has to reference Den-O because Den-O can never die