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Ratings for last episode: 3.9 of 5 stars (10 votes)
Lakhesis makes some good points. Oh why is that part silent
I see team gotchard have succeeded in avoiding the papparazzi. How did Spanner get up there
Oh no, the dreaded square, enemy of the triangle
"The Chemys are too dangerous. I know, I'll absorb them all and beat the bad guys, sacrificing myself" Does that make sense?
Oh, remember that this rundown cafe had two regular customers?
Oh, the one guest that we had in this series. I guess we're telling everyone our business now?
That's a nice shot of the quarry
Finally, some actual philosophical differences between the heroes. Honestly, the "are Chemys alive or are they tools" was never a good difference since they both needed to use the cards. And it was never going to be like SPanner animal abused his animals
I'm sure the effect is expensive, but a rocket pack rider is pretty good. And it shows Houtarou's arrogance or maybe desire to not need to go out against Spanner. Meanwhile, Spanner is about to unload a clip of shots into Houtarou's head lol
Not seen: the dog that would have made spanner not an asshole
Fight should have ended when Spanner's mask got broke. Oh, that belt looks messed up
Is Spanner going to walk all the way home from the quarry? Feels like a long walk
lol, this card will keep people from stealing your yugioh cards again. Too bad they didn't have it earlier
Oh, that mark on Rinne. Is it as we suspected? I guess that's a cool twist. They've seeded it quite a bit and the best twists are ones that you sort of half expected, but had no way of knowing how it would come to be. (Maybe the real twist is that Rinne isn't Kudou's daughter but Geryon's, hence her lack of humanity)
I dunno, you've got me interested in the plot of Gotchard, so good job!
Edit: It's weird, because it feels like this episode is a slight step above the rest. I don't really care about Spanner, but him acting as an antagonist that has conflicting ideology with the main hero is a good move. And in the background, we get all these good moments that probably would have been their own episode in the past. Like Houtarou's home getting doxxed, and his mom dealing with his superhero baggage in an Aunt May/Spiderman sort of way. Or the wrestler guy returning to be both a mentor while also making the world of Gotchard not feel so empty (like even the regular customers from episode 1 return). Gotchard wears its flaws on its sleeve, but it's never been a show without some smattering of merit and charm
KR Gotchard 47 thread
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
Interesting that this fits in with the trend in Japanese media to emphasize that self-sacrifice isn't truly honourable if there are other possible options that get everyone out alive (with several J-dramas' finales including the imperative "live!" as a significant line). Riders' power tends to be thematically linked with their willpower, though this was one of the rare episodes where I could really see the external conflict representing the internal clash of philosophies. Maybe that's the problem I'd been having with Gotchard's villains--for the most part, I couldn't really discern their motives beyond nominal goals like gold or opening a door, but once they gave Atropos a link and motive by having her see Gurion as a father she became vastly more complex and interesting. I'm not sure why what's effectively a two-part plotline called for Spanner to overthrow the institute, but we haven't seen the last of his story yet.
The Rinne-Atropos link both explains a lot about previous episodes and makes me curious about the next ones, which sounds like a sign of a successful twist. Wonder if we're going to learn the other two's models? Lahkseis has pretty clearly been linked with Spanner (having even used his old suit), but she doesn't quite have the same charming personality.
The Rinne-Atropos link both explains a lot about previous episodes and makes me curious about the next ones, which sounds like a sign of a successful twist. Wonder if we're going to learn the other two's models? Lahkseis has pretty clearly been linked with Spanner (having even used his old suit), but she doesn't quite have the same charming personality.
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
Another odd thing that struck me about this episode is... the Spanner plot is almost totally superfluous. It can totally be cut and probably nothing would have happened to the main plot. We still have normal people invading the alchemist spaces, but that plot feels almost backburnered to the big fight. Again, a real mixed bag of a series
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
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Production blog
https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/gotchard/48/
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Notes from Producer Minato Yosuke
A big fight between Houtarou and Spanner!!
1) First of all, the basic premise was that in the final chapter, I wanted Houtarou to think again about his dream of coexistence between humans and Chemy, which was the basis of this show. And I wanted him to find the answer through fighting (action).
2) I wanted the fight to be fought not for the sake of protecting people and Chemy, but of Houtarou's own will and selfishness.
3) And I wanted to bring out the true feelings of Spanner, who always acts cool, holds back, and pretended to be an adult in front of Houtarou.
Originally, Spanner was a character placed as Houtarou's rival. But as the story progressed, beyond the intention of us planners, Spanner had acquired a personality that went beyond the so-called framework of a rival.
That's what I felt: "A kid who pretends to be an adult, but before he knew it, he had taken on that role and became a reliable adult."
It was like he was trying to be something that he wasn't. To Houtarou and the others, he's a reliable older brother, and to Minato, he's a dependable junior, but I feel that it's precisely because of this that Spanner has always been unable to speak his true feelings. I wanted Spanner to finally let out all of the emotions he's had building up towards Houtarou.
It's not a fall into the dark side, and it's not a Rider battle. In fact, even the clash of justice was just merely a catalyst for the two of them. It's simply a fight between kids in which they reveal their true feelings to each other.
I thought this step was absolutely necessary for both of them to grow. Spanner, who belived Chemys were tools, and Houtarou, who believed Chemys had hearts. If they don't settle this, Spanner can't move forward and Houtarou can't get the Gatcha that he's aiming for.
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Weekly blog
Spanner enlisted the help of his fellow alchemists and used the power of the black flames to steal all of the Chemy Cards. Incidentally, these alchemists were brave young alchemists who did not run away from the Alchemy Alliance and agreed with Spanner's ideas. There were still some decent people in the Alchemy Alliance.
Gangsters were popping up everywhere. Although it was only a short scene, it portrayed how evil gradually infiltrating into Houtarou and his friends' daily lives.
Now, let's talk about the showdown scene.
First of all, in Gotchard (and other tokusatsu shows), the basic structure of an episode was to have two action chunks: An early fight and a last fight. But in episode 47, no fight scenes were created until the showdown scene.
That's how much episode 47 was about the last fight. Fujibayashi-san (Spanner) and Motoshima-san (Houtarou) understood this, and put their souls into their performances!
For the fight scene after the transformation, they both fought with their weapons mercilessly. Eitoku-san (Gotchard) and Nakata-san (Valvarad) really paid attention to even the smallest details. Wires and explosions were used. They even said it was the most difficult action scene they'd done recently.
The cracked mask!
When the mask cracks, of course it's Fujibayashi-san who was inside, not Nakata-san the suit actor.
The action director and Nakata-san had detailed discussions before filming the scene. The moment it cracked, it'd be a difficult to convey that emotion in just one eye.But as you'd expect, it was a really heart-wrenching scene...
This time we didn't just use composite processing, we actually created the cracked surface model.
As the battle progressed, Spanner's true feelings became increasingly clear. To gain something, you must lose something. This was a way of thinking that anyone who had an adult role can somewhat understand. Deep inside, he was resolved to die protecting something greater, just like his parents.
But from Houtarou's perspective, he simply didn't want his precious friends to die. There's no need to lose something in order to gain something. He didn't care if people call him naive, but that's the kind of person Houtarou was, as he stayed positive and didn't give up and to achieve his goals.
Seeing this, Spanner was reminded of his own time as a child. "Cats, dogs, and pillbugs! All living things contribute to creating a happy world."
Spanner realized that the basis of his beliefs in protecting people was simply that, just like Houtarou now, "I want to protect everyone" and "I want to make everyone happy."
Houtarou may have been one step ahead of him in this regard and had arrived at the answer first.
(By the way, this dog is actually Director Yamaguchi's pet dog.)
So, Spanner's conclusion was, "Our paths will never cross."
But that means that even though their paths were different and they won't cross along the way, they're definitely aiming for the same goal.
Let's wait in anticipation for Spanner's return!!! (Though having said that, there are only 3 episodes left!)
Production blog
https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/gotchard/48/
====
Notes from Producer Minato Yosuke
A big fight between Houtarou and Spanner!!
1) First of all, the basic premise was that in the final chapter, I wanted Houtarou to think again about his dream of coexistence between humans and Chemy, which was the basis of this show. And I wanted him to find the answer through fighting (action).
2) I wanted the fight to be fought not for the sake of protecting people and Chemy, but of Houtarou's own will and selfishness.
3) And I wanted to bring out the true feelings of Spanner, who always acts cool, holds back, and pretended to be an adult in front of Houtarou.
Originally, Spanner was a character placed as Houtarou's rival. But as the story progressed, beyond the intention of us planners, Spanner had acquired a personality that went beyond the so-called framework of a rival.
That's what I felt: "A kid who pretends to be an adult, but before he knew it, he had taken on that role and became a reliable adult."
It was like he was trying to be something that he wasn't. To Houtarou and the others, he's a reliable older brother, and to Minato, he's a dependable junior, but I feel that it's precisely because of this that Spanner has always been unable to speak his true feelings. I wanted Spanner to finally let out all of the emotions he's had building up towards Houtarou.
It's not a fall into the dark side, and it's not a Rider battle. In fact, even the clash of justice was just merely a catalyst for the two of them. It's simply a fight between kids in which they reveal their true feelings to each other.
I thought this step was absolutely necessary for both of them to grow. Spanner, who belived Chemys were tools, and Houtarou, who believed Chemys had hearts. If they don't settle this, Spanner can't move forward and Houtarou can't get the Gatcha that he's aiming for.
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Weekly blog
Spanner enlisted the help of his fellow alchemists and used the power of the black flames to steal all of the Chemy Cards. Incidentally, these alchemists were brave young alchemists who did not run away from the Alchemy Alliance and agreed with Spanner's ideas. There were still some decent people in the Alchemy Alliance.
Gangsters were popping up everywhere. Although it was only a short scene, it portrayed how evil gradually infiltrating into Houtarou and his friends' daily lives.
Now, let's talk about the showdown scene.
First of all, in Gotchard (and other tokusatsu shows), the basic structure of an episode was to have two action chunks: An early fight and a last fight. But in episode 47, no fight scenes were created until the showdown scene.
That's how much episode 47 was about the last fight. Fujibayashi-san (Spanner) and Motoshima-san (Houtarou) understood this, and put their souls into their performances!
For the fight scene after the transformation, they both fought with their weapons mercilessly. Eitoku-san (Gotchard) and Nakata-san (Valvarad) really paid attention to even the smallest details. Wires and explosions were used. They even said it was the most difficult action scene they'd done recently.
The cracked mask!
When the mask cracks, of course it's Fujibayashi-san who was inside, not Nakata-san the suit actor.
The action director and Nakata-san had detailed discussions before filming the scene. The moment it cracked, it'd be a difficult to convey that emotion in just one eye.But as you'd expect, it was a really heart-wrenching scene...
This time we didn't just use composite processing, we actually created the cracked surface model.
As the battle progressed, Spanner's true feelings became increasingly clear. To gain something, you must lose something. This was a way of thinking that anyone who had an adult role can somewhat understand. Deep inside, he was resolved to die protecting something greater, just like his parents.
But from Houtarou's perspective, he simply didn't want his precious friends to die. There's no need to lose something in order to gain something. He didn't care if people call him naive, but that's the kind of person Houtarou was, as he stayed positive and didn't give up and to achieve his goals.
Seeing this, Spanner was reminded of his own time as a child. "Cats, dogs, and pillbugs! All living things contribute to creating a happy world."
Spanner realized that the basis of his beliefs in protecting people was simply that, just like Houtarou now, "I want to protect everyone" and "I want to make everyone happy."
Houtarou may have been one step ahead of him in this regard and had arrived at the answer first.
(By the way, this dog is actually Director Yamaguchi's pet dog.)
So, Spanner's conclusion was, "Our paths will never cross."
But that means that even though their paths were different and they won't cross along the way, they're definitely aiming for the same goal.
Let's wait in anticipation for Spanner's return!!! (Though having said that, there are only 3 episodes left!)
Original Japanese Text
宝太郎とスパナ男同士、魂の大ゲンカ！！！！
①まず大前提として最終章ではこの番組のベースにある宝太郎の夢「人とケミーの共存」について改めて宝太郎に考えさせたかったこと。そしてその結論の出し方は戦い（行動）によって答えを見つけていってほしかったこと
②その戦いには「人々とケミーを守るため」という大義名分ではなく、宝太郎自身の意志・ワガママとして向かっていって欲しかったこと
③そして、いつもいつも宝太郎の前でカッコつけて、我慢して、大人ぶってるスパナの本音を引き出したかったこと
元々、スパナという男は最初から「宝太郎のカウンター」として配置されたキャラクターでした。
でも物語を進めるうち、我々企画者の意図を超えて、スパナにはいわゆるライバルという枠を超えた個性が備わっていきました。
それが「大人ぶってる子供がいつの間にかその役割が板に付いてしまい、そのまま頼れる大人になってしまった男」（という風に私は感じてました）
背伸びしているというか。
宝太郎たちから見たら頼りになるお兄ちゃんだし、ミナトから見たら、頼れる後輩なのですが、でもそんなスパナだからこそ、いつもいつも本音を言い出せずにいたんじゃないかという気がします。
そんな、これまで溜まりに溜まっていた宝太郎への感情をスパナにはここで全て吐き出して欲しかったのです。
闇落ちでもなく、
ライダーバトルでもなく、
なんなら正義と正義のぶつかり合いですら二人にとってはきっかけに過ぎず、
ただただ互いの本音をさらけ出す、
子ども同士のケンカ。
互いの成長のためには絶対にそのステップが必要だと思いました。
ケミーは道具だというスパナと、
ケミーには心があると反発する宝太郎の対立。
むしろ今、
2人の違いをあらためて明白にして、
ここに決着をつけなければ、スパナは前に進めないし、
宝太郎の目指すガッチャも掴めない、
そんな思いで一同熱く作った47話、振り返っていきます！
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スパナは、仲間の錬金術師たちの力も借り、
黒い炎の力でケミーカードを全て奪い取りました。
ちなみにこの錬金術師たちは、
錬金連合から逃げ出さず、
スパナの思いに賛成した勇気ある若き錬金術師たち。
錬金連合にもまともな大人はまだいたんですね〜！
もう悪人がわんさか湧きまくり！
短い尺ながら、宝太郎たちの日常に、
どんどん悪が入り込んでいく様子をインパクト大に演じていただきました！
ではここから、対決シーンのお話へ。
まず前提として、
ガッチャード(を含め特撮番組では)、
1話の構成として、アクションのまとまりを、ナカタチとラスタチと呼ばれる2つ作るのが基本ですが、
47話はこの対決シーンまで、立ちまわりをつくりませんでした。
つまり、ナカタチ無しで、ラスタチのみ。
それくらい、このラスタチに全てをかけたのが47話。
藤林さん、本島さんはそれも理解したうえで、
魂を込めたお芝居をしてくださいました！
変身後の戦いは、
永徳さん、中田さんも本当に細かい部分まで意識して演じてくださりました。
吊りのアクションあり、ナパームありと、
ここ最近のアクションで1番大変だったと仰っていたほど。
そんな中生まれた、マスク割れ！！！
マスク割れとなるともちろん、中に入るのは、スーツアクターの中田さんではなく、藤林さん。
アクション監督や、中田さんたちも綿密に打ち合わせして、割れのシーンは撮影されました。
割れた瞬間、片目だけにその感情を乗せるのが難しいお芝居ですが、
さすが、すごく心にずどんと来るシーンでしたね……
見ていただいてわかるとおり、今回は合成処理だけではなく、割れた面も造形物として作成しています！！
さて、戦いの中、どんどんと見えていったスパナの本音。
何かを得るには、何かを失わなければならない。これ「大人」をやってきた人なら何となくわかる考え方ですよね。
でもその奥底にあったのは、自分の両親のように自分も大きなものを守って死ぬんだという覚悟でした。
でも宝太郎からしたら、シンプルに大切な仲間が死ぬのは嫌。
それに、得るために失う必要なんてない。
甘いと言われたって構わない、それでも前向きに諦めないで成し遂げるのが宝太郎です。
そんな思いを目の前で受けたスパナが思い出したのは、かつて「子供」だった頃の自分でした。
「ネコも、犬も、ダンゴムシも！生きてるもの全部が幸せな世の中を錬成する」
自分のもつ、人を守るという信念の根本は、
今の宝太郎と同じ「みんなを守りたい」「幸せにしたい」ただそれだけだったことに気づいたスパナ。
それについては宝太郎の方が1枚上手で、
先に答えにたどり着いていたのかもしれません。
ちなみに、こちらのわんちゃんは、
実は山口監督の愛犬。
さて、スパナが出した結論は、
「俺たちの道は交わらない」
でもそれは、2人の歩む道は違うし途中で交わることはないけれど、きっと目指す先のゴールは同じになったということ。
スパナが再び戻ってくる姿を期待して待ちましょう！！！！
(とか言って、ガッチャードあと3話なんですけどね！)
①まず大前提として最終章ではこの番組のベースにある宝太郎の夢「人とケミーの共存」について改めて宝太郎に考えさせたかったこと。そしてその結論の出し方は戦い（行動）によって答えを見つけていってほしかったこと
②その戦いには「人々とケミーを守るため」という大義名分ではなく、宝太郎自身の意志・ワガママとして向かっていって欲しかったこと
③そして、いつもいつも宝太郎の前でカッコつけて、我慢して、大人ぶってるスパナの本音を引き出したかったこと
元々、スパナという男は最初から「宝太郎のカウンター」として配置されたキャラクターでした。
でも物語を進めるうち、我々企画者の意図を超えて、スパナにはいわゆるライバルという枠を超えた個性が備わっていきました。
それが「大人ぶってる子供がいつの間にかその役割が板に付いてしまい、そのまま頼れる大人になってしまった男」（という風に私は感じてました）
背伸びしているというか。
宝太郎たちから見たら頼りになるお兄ちゃんだし、ミナトから見たら、頼れる後輩なのですが、でもそんなスパナだからこそ、いつもいつも本音を言い出せずにいたんじゃないかという気がします。
そんな、これまで溜まりに溜まっていた宝太郎への感情をスパナにはここで全て吐き出して欲しかったのです。
闇落ちでもなく、
ライダーバトルでもなく、
なんなら正義と正義のぶつかり合いですら二人にとってはきっかけに過ぎず、
ただただ互いの本音をさらけ出す、
子ども同士のケンカ。
互いの成長のためには絶対にそのステップが必要だと思いました。
ケミーは道具だというスパナと、
ケミーには心があると反発する宝太郎の対立。
むしろ今、
2人の違いをあらためて明白にして、
ここに決着をつけなければ、スパナは前に進めないし、
宝太郎の目指すガッチャも掴めない、
そんな思いで一同熱く作った47話、振り返っていきます！
====
スパナは、仲間の錬金術師たちの力も借り、
黒い炎の力でケミーカードを全て奪い取りました。
ちなみにこの錬金術師たちは、
錬金連合から逃げ出さず、
スパナの思いに賛成した勇気ある若き錬金術師たち。
錬金連合にもまともな大人はまだいたんですね〜！
もう悪人がわんさか湧きまくり！
短い尺ながら、宝太郎たちの日常に、
どんどん悪が入り込んでいく様子をインパクト大に演じていただきました！
ではここから、対決シーンのお話へ。
まず前提として、
ガッチャード(を含め特撮番組では)、
1話の構成として、アクションのまとまりを、ナカタチとラスタチと呼ばれる2つ作るのが基本ですが、
47話はこの対決シーンまで、立ちまわりをつくりませんでした。
つまり、ナカタチ無しで、ラスタチのみ。
それくらい、このラスタチに全てをかけたのが47話。
藤林さん、本島さんはそれも理解したうえで、
魂を込めたお芝居をしてくださいました！
変身後の戦いは、
永徳さん、中田さんも本当に細かい部分まで意識して演じてくださりました。
吊りのアクションあり、ナパームありと、
ここ最近のアクションで1番大変だったと仰っていたほど。
そんな中生まれた、マスク割れ！！！
マスク割れとなるともちろん、中に入るのは、スーツアクターの中田さんではなく、藤林さん。
アクション監督や、中田さんたちも綿密に打ち合わせして、割れのシーンは撮影されました。
割れた瞬間、片目だけにその感情を乗せるのが難しいお芝居ですが、
さすが、すごく心にずどんと来るシーンでしたね……
見ていただいてわかるとおり、今回は合成処理だけではなく、割れた面も造形物として作成しています！！
さて、戦いの中、どんどんと見えていったスパナの本音。
何かを得るには、何かを失わなければならない。これ「大人」をやってきた人なら何となくわかる考え方ですよね。
でもその奥底にあったのは、自分の両親のように自分も大きなものを守って死ぬんだという覚悟でした。
でも宝太郎からしたら、シンプルに大切な仲間が死ぬのは嫌。
それに、得るために失う必要なんてない。
甘いと言われたって構わない、それでも前向きに諦めないで成し遂げるのが宝太郎です。
そんな思いを目の前で受けたスパナが思い出したのは、かつて「子供」だった頃の自分でした。
「ネコも、犬も、ダンゴムシも！生きてるもの全部が幸せな世の中を錬成する」
自分のもつ、人を守るという信念の根本は、
今の宝太郎と同じ「みんなを守りたい」「幸せにしたい」ただそれだけだったことに気づいたスパナ。
それについては宝太郎の方が1枚上手で、
先に答えにたどり着いていたのかもしれません。
ちなみに、こちらのわんちゃんは、
実は山口監督の愛犬。
さて、スパナが出した結論は、
「俺たちの道は交わらない」
でもそれは、2人の歩む道は違うし途中で交わることはないけれど、きっと目指す先のゴールは同じになったということ。
スパナが再び戻ってくる姿を期待して待ちましょう！！！！
(とか言って、ガッチャードあと3話なんですけどね！)
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
Huh; I'd forgotten to mention it, but I noticed the cracked mask was real this time (also, good continuity to the makeup artists for making the area of Spanner's exposed face way worse for wear than the rest of his face once he's out-of-suit). Don't think we've had that in a while. One can really appreciate the dedication of making a damaged mask for what seemed like a few seconds of screen time; brief as it was, it really helped sell the moment.
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
Okay, while I didn't completely dislike this episode, I still don't like how Spanner just deus ex'd control of his black flames. That entire plot point has been glossed over and I'm disappointed that it was never completely explained.
Following that, I do like this conflict between him and Gotchard when it comes to what to do with the Chemy's and alchemy as a whole. It's one of those 'Would humanity be able to handle this secret' plot points that's done quite well. Not on the same level as Gaim vs Barron, but a good second place.
Following that, I do like this conflict between him and Gotchard when it comes to what to do with the Chemy's and alchemy as a whole. It's one of those 'Would humanity be able to handle this secret' plot points that's done quite well. Not on the same level as Gaim vs Barron, but a good second place.
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
So, at the end of the episode we finally find out that Sailor Rinne and Dark Lady are related!
So, was Lakhesis made from Kyouka and Klotho made from Spanner?
I was a little disappointed that the finish of the fight wasn't the two of them going fist to fist and Houtarou using the wrestler guy's finishing move to win.
The Hades Sisters seem long on trust and long on denial.
If Houtarou has an ounce of coolness then before the fight he would have accused Spanner's plan as being a bad joke.
I guess I was wrong about Spanner's minions being the alchemists council. I guess the alchemists council has been completely forgotten about.
So one final boss down. I guess next episode the Hades Kings bite the dust, then the next to last episode is Geryon being purified into a good guy, and the last episode will be the epilogue/preview of A Dream Colored Kamen Rider?
So, was Lakhesis made from Kyouka and Klotho made from Spanner?
I was a little disappointed that the finish of the fight wasn't the two of them going fist to fist and Houtarou using the wrestler guy's finishing move to win.
The Hades Sisters seem long on trust and long on denial.
If Houtarou has an ounce of coolness then before the fight he would have accused Spanner's plan as being a bad joke.
I guess I was wrong about Spanner's minions being the alchemists council. I guess the alchemists council has been completely forgotten about.
So one final boss down. I guess next episode the Hades Kings bite the dust, then the next to last episode is Geryon being purified into a good guy, and the last episode will be the epilogue/preview of A Dream Colored Kamen Rider?
Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
We learned a couple episodes ago (when Kajiki and his GF were finally able to keep their memories...then everyone else got theirs back too) that Lachesis was modeled on a selfish singer and not Kyouka or Spanner.
And I've read that we'll only learn about Klotho's model in one of the Tangential Plans episodes.
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
I relaly don't understand how you get "tangential" from "incomplete". Feels like an arbitrary translation
未完 【みかん】 (adj-no,n) incomplete, unfinished
未完 【みかん】 (adj-no,n) incomplete, unfinished
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
Pretty good episode. While it didn't necessarily move the plot forward much, it finally ties the bow on the conflicting ideologies between Houtaro & Spanner. As a character, Spanner was effective in the earlier arcs but has sorta faded into the background after becoming a Rider. With this close to the ending, it's as if the writers finally remembered they got a pretty cool character that they underutilised and needed to give him something 'grand' to do, which is to self sacrifice.
Also, how did he learn to control the black flames and how sure is he that his body won't gave in before he could successfully transmute all 101 Chemies? What's to say he won't die before he even get to fight the Hades Kings? Doesn't seem like a foolproof plan if you ask me, just a brash & "I need to be the cool lonely hero so I gotta do this".
Gigist has been relegated to nothing but background stalker. Next episode's preview hints at Geryon potentially have a human (hah!) side to him after all, so will Gigist still be the final big bad? If so, it's disappointing because he is neither interesting nor threatening, and haven't done anything to move the plot forward in effective way. Heck, out of the 3 Hades Kings only Gaelijah seems to be the most effective and actually gave the Riders their biggest headache to date. As for Geryon, he's been sitting at his chair doing nothing, almost as if he's just waiting for the final episode to come.
The fight between Houtaro & Spanner is good tho. It's well shot and choreographed, there's some raw emotions in the fight. The cracked mask bit added into the intensity, and the background music going silent as the fight draws to an end is a nice touch. Again, the fight would've been more effective if the writers developed Spanner's character better prior, but it is what it is.
I'm interested in next week's episode, and potentially Majade's final form.
Also, how did he learn to control the black flames and how sure is he that his body won't gave in before he could successfully transmute all 101 Chemies? What's to say he won't die before he even get to fight the Hades Kings? Doesn't seem like a foolproof plan if you ask me, just a brash & "I need to be the cool lonely hero so I gotta do this".
Gigist has been relegated to nothing but background stalker. Next episode's preview hints at Geryon potentially have a human (hah!) side to him after all, so will Gigist still be the final big bad? If so, it's disappointing because he is neither interesting nor threatening, and haven't done anything to move the plot forward in effective way. Heck, out of the 3 Hades Kings only Gaelijah seems to be the most effective and actually gave the Riders their biggest headache to date. As for Geryon, he's been sitting at his chair doing nothing, almost as if he's just waiting for the final episode to come.
The fight between Houtaro & Spanner is good tho. It's well shot and choreographed, there's some raw emotions in the fight. The cracked mask bit added into the intensity, and the background music going silent as the fight draws to an end is a nice touch. Again, the fight would've been more effective if the writers developed Spanner's character better prior, but it is what it is.
I'm interested in next week's episode, and potentially Majade's final form.
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
I really want to like this episode, but I just can't Gotcha with it. Spanner's sudden turn to being the heel just doesn't sit right with me. And yet at the same time, Houtarou's blind faith that everything will be okay is also incredibly stupid.
If you take this episode seriously - as it was portrayed - then only Spanner's plan actually makes any sense. Wipe the board of the Hades Kings and the Chemys, and the problem is solved. There are no magical aliens trying to destroy the world, and humanity isn't fighting over dangerous magical weapons. Meanwhile Houtarou doesn't really have a plan for dealing with either problem, and fundamentally, his answer leaves the Chemys around to be abused.
And if you don't take this episode seriously, then what even was the point of all of that?
The conflict at the core of this just doesn't really work as it's implemented. In a stronger series it could have worked, but it's not working here.
It also doesn't help that the writers haven't given us a lot of reason to care about Spanner. It's not that I dislike the character. But he's not the hero of the story, either. So he is kind of disposable...
On the plus side, we did get an awesome fight out of all of that. Some of the drone shots were a bit iffy (the resolution/clarity on those drones just isn't there), but everything else was great. We got some beautiful shots of both Riders, stunt choreography worthy of a Rider fight, and that broken helmet for Valvarad was chef's kiss. Unlike Sentai, we almost never get to see the actors in the suits in KR (since helmetless Riders aren't really a thing), so that was incredibly cool to see.
Next ep preview:
If you take this episode seriously - as it was portrayed - then only Spanner's plan actually makes any sense. Wipe the board of the Hades Kings and the Chemys, and the problem is solved. There are no magical aliens trying to destroy the world, and humanity isn't fighting over dangerous magical weapons. Meanwhile Houtarou doesn't really have a plan for dealing with either problem, and fundamentally, his answer leaves the Chemys around to be abused.
And if you don't take this episode seriously, then what even was the point of all of that?
The conflict at the core of this just doesn't really work as it's implemented. In a stronger series it could have worked, but it's not working here.
It also doesn't help that the writers haven't given us a lot of reason to care about Spanner. It's not that I dislike the character. But he's not the hero of the story, either. So he is kind of disposable...
On the plus side, we did get an awesome fight out of all of that. Some of the drone shots were a bit iffy (the resolution/clarity on those drones just isn't there), but everything else was great. We got some beautiful shots of both Riders, stunt choreography worthy of a Rider fight, and that broken helmet for Valvarad was chef's kiss. Unlike Sentai, we almost never get to see the actors in the suits in KR (since helmetless Riders aren't really a thing), so that was incredibly cool to see.
Next ep preview:
Spoiler
So, uh, they're introducing a new form for Majade with all of 3 episodes to go? What the heck? You're about a month late, Toei!
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
At least it's not like a certain series where the heroine with no backstory becomes the rider in the last episode lol
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
Which one was that? Can't seem to remember
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Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
Tsukuyomi. They didn't give her backstory till the last episode, I'm pretty sure
Re: KR Gotchard 47 thread
Out of 49 episodes, Episode 31 is when they suddenly revealed she had amnesia and her powers started working.
She debuted her Rider form at the end of episode 48, which lasted a minute into the finale, used it again for a minute during the final fight just to stab her brother in the back.