KR Gotchard 48 thread

[takenoko]

< Previous
Wiki
Next >

Ratings for last episode: 4 of 5 stars (10 votes)

Fuuga is... treating Spanner? Geryon knows where Fuuga is? Feels like that should be a plot point instead of somethign to handwave

lol. I thought Atropos was just going to absorb Rinne, not hang off her like a ghoulish blood bag

Fuuga doesn't seem too surprised that Geryon made Atropos based on Rinne. Why didn't he mention this to Rinne (or tell her anything at all?) Guess the plot needed it to happen now

Hopefully we'll get an explanation for that flashback of Fuuga and Geryon together with Rinne

Oh, Klotho is still on the ground

Are they in a parking lot? What kind of hideout is this? Also Klotho gets aawy pretty easily lol

hahaha wtf. The two old guys fell for the old trap spell on the ground

Gaelijah doing a Saw instead of just wiping out her opponents will surely be what gets her killed in this epsiode

lol Geryon's face twitch. He bases Atropos on Rinne, but she comes out already in the Atropos costume. Was that part of the spell too??

Gotchard's explanation for entering mirror world is... like everything else in this episode... just a bit too contrived

I like this field though

So Geryon and Atropos really do care about each other??

Oh, he just wants to use Atropos to turn the world gold. Well, good job at tricking me, story.

Is it me or is Gotchard using more break dancing moves than usual? Also why is this fool using base form against a final boss? I guess the story requires it

Oh hey, Rinne and Atropos's ?friendship pays off

It's kind of fun how her new form has parts from Kamen Rider Wind's design. I think this new form is detailed without being overly busy. There's a nice gradient of colors without it being overly gaudy like Rainbow Gotchard. I think the clear part of her chest piece is also cool

It would have b een fun if we had seen Gaelijah's predictive powers before

Oh hi Gigist, for some reason you haven't died yet

Kind of a weird episode for me. I like Rinne's new form. I'm sad to see Atropos go since it doesn't feel like her arc was complete (or if it was, it was super rushed in this episode). I wouldn't have minded dropping one of the filler episodes and having this be a two parter. Playing all the previous conversations with Rinne and Atropos and then going "And that's why Atropos decided to sacrifice herself for Rinne" doesn't feel like that works, y'know?

oh, Spanner is still in this serise for some reason. I mean, we have 2-3 episodes left. Maybe we should get back to the main story or something?

[TokuGeek1999]

Atropos became Rinne’s Leonard Snart.

[takenoko]

I wonder if they always planned for Atropos to be Rinne. If so, we might see her actress return as a young RInne. But the thing is, the child Rinne actress is only a year younger than Atropos's actress. So it's not like they were portraying Rinne at very different stages of her childhood

Edit: I really feel like the weakness of the writing is never more apparent than the multiple times they have Rinne ask if Atropos is alright and someone chimes in "Hey, you're the one who's going to die. Why are you worried about Atropos?!"

Them cutting to Klotho and just having her realize that there's no more reason for her to continue was pretty good and well delivered gut punch from Klotho's actress

[Mxylv]

Pretty strong in general, though it does have one of my least favourite villain tropes--giving the illusion of some humanity or redeeming point only to reveal that the villain's just evil after all. I'm alright if you jump into allegory a la '70s villains like Ambassador Hell or Satan Demon, but Geryon's theoretically just a guy with a gold obsession. It's kind of the same problem Ghost and later Donbrothers had: if you have intriguing initial main villains, then whenever they either turn good or die off (or both) it leaves kind of throwaway villains for the endgame.

But enough complaining; we got a new final form! Interesting that they mirrored Houtaro's final form debut in terms of grief being the inciting element, which I'm chalking up to an intentional choice rather than a lazy one. I also like that our remaining villains have opposing objectives (actually, I thought Gigist's goal was to be more powerful than the other two, who are both dead? What's he after now?). Geryon stealing Gigist's line was fun; hopefully we'll see them fighting each other as much as they do the heroes.

Houtaro: Rinne, turn around! Cool guys don't look at explosions!
Majade: I am no guy!

[TokuGeek1999]

Spoiler

When Gaelijah is defeated by Twilight Majade, Glion and Gigist each receive a portion of the remaining Philosopher's Stone fragments originally belongs to her, and after Glion explained his ideals, the two teleported away from the battlefield.

[Connie_Edogawa]

Hey, kids! be sure to tell your parents to keep an eye on the PBandai website for when we open orders for the new Driver Unit and redesigned cards for Majade's final form that we're introducing in the third to last episode of the season!

I like elements of Twilight Majade's design, like changing out the "hair" style to be more like Atropos' haircut, but it IS a bummer to just get SunUnicon but moreso. if they'd topped Gotchard off at Platinum, instead of Rainbow being a thing, it'd be a fitting style, where everyone's final forms is them taking their base cards and making them evolve in some way, like Hopper1 and Steamliner becoming CrossHopper and TenLiner, or either of the movie only spoiler forms Gotchard and Daybreak Gotchard have in the trailers.

like, they don't even rename the cards. it's still TheSun and Unicon, just with a new coat of paint.

also, even if we ignore the fact that two of Majade's three total forms in this entire show are the same two cards, she's only got THREE forms. even if she doesn't use the two her dad uses, or the two from the HBV, that's still 12 total Cosmic and Fantasy chemys that just never got used and could've been. it's even more annoying when you remember that Majade is officially supposed to be the Secondary Rider and Valvarad the Tertiary. one could argue about whether or not OrochiShovel and AngeCopter count as forms, since they're just extra parts slapped onto the base Valvarad suit, but form or not, that's still two different things Valvarad has in addition to his base form, not even counting pre-rider Valvarad and equipments, which ties Majade's forms in total.

talking about the next episode preview

and even after that, he's STILL getting another new form next week, since it looks like Spanner is getting a surprise PBandai driver unit, too. we taking bets on whether or not he alters Madwheel again or changes DaiOhni in some way? just to rub in how he gets more than Rinne.

it's nice that the show's finally started getting interesting again. just wish it'd happened with more of the show to go, rather than all at the very end.

[takenoko]

Yeah, that is kind of a bummer when you look at it that way. With the card collecting aspect over, maybe they could have planned ahead for this by having certain cards associated with Atropos the way Kamantis is with Klotho. Then those cards could be added into the mix ?somehow

I didn't notice that the design incorporates Atropos into it. Good catch

[Connie_Edogawa]

Yeah, that is kind of a bummer when you look at it that way. With the card collecting aspect over, maybe they could have planned ahead for this by having certain cards associated with Atropos the way Kamantis is with Klotho. Then those cards could be added into the mix ?somehow

actually, that just makes me realize, they never had Atropos become a malgam, did they?

[takenoko]

No, just Dread that one time. Guess they didn't want to animate the size change in transformation or find a short stunt actor for the monster

[darkmage02]

So Khlotos kinda upped and ran away to find Larchesis because.... why? Hey, your other sister Atropos is hung up by Gaelijah and about to be turned into a Chimera. Maybe save her first? Funny how she ran after Larchesis, only to then turn back to get to Atropos... and collapsed when she realised she's too late. Weird writing there that totally got me out from the episode.

That being said, a pretty decent episode for Rinne. Is it just me or the actress' acting got a bit better towards the end? She's less wooden and her grief over Atropos is believable. I wish we've gotten more between Rinne & Atropos to really sell the story for their friendship(?) but this is probably the best we can get out from Gotchard's inconsistent writing.

Spoiler

Looks like Gigist will bite the bullet next episode, and Geryon's going to get all other pieces of Philosopher's stone save for Houtaro's to be a final boss.

[takenoko]

>So Khlotos kinda upped and ran away to find Larchesis because.... why? Hey, your other sister Atropos is hung up by Gaelijah and about to be turned into a Chimera. Maybe save her first?

I think it was a smart move, she was clearly not going to beat Gaelijah. Better to get help

[Yaiba]

This episode checked all the right boxes. The stakes were so much higher this week. It's impressive the production team were able to fit so much content in 20 minutes.

Fuuga really liked that abandoned house. He keeps going back there. It's really not a good hiding place when everyone knew you were hiding there.

Fuuga had no any real way to escape Gaelijah's trap or save Rinne from turning into Chimera. Both Fuuga and Rinne would have died if not for plot armor.

Geryon's deceit and betrayal with his convincing lies. He basically carried the show. We also got a little exposition dump about Fuuga and Geryon's rivalries. Other than Geryon saying he loved Atropos as a daughter, I think everything else he said was true.

Oh, they found a use for that useless gun form. Houtarou had some cheeky moments but basically took a back seat, which is fine.

Atropos' heel–face turn and sacrifice was alright, because it was built up over the course of the series. I like how the final form turns out and the choreography was good. Having two consciousness controlling a body was not a new concept, but it's a logical solution to Gaelijah's premonitions.

How many different versions of the same cards are they going to produce??? Dread, Daybreak, Rainbow, and now Twilight. Is Spanner going to have yet another different set of version next week? Gotta get those merch money, right?

Gaelijah gave up her humanity? The Hades Kings were once humans?

So it seems Gigist will bite the dust by Spanner's hands next week, since they were the only ones who actually had some interactions with each other.

I totally forgot about the Philosopher's Stone. It's currently split between the Hades Kings, Geryon and Nijigon. Once the Hades King and Geryon were defeated, Hotarou will have 100% of the stone, and it'll be the deus ex machina to the Chemy problem.


================
Production blog
https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/gotchard/49/

The setting that there was a strong connection between the birth of Rinne and Atropos was solidified from an early stage.
(Ideas were put forth that Rinne was a doll or that she was already dead...)
From there, the three screenwriters and directors, and above all, the two actors, Matsumoto Reiyo and Okita Itono, spun a deep bond between the two for a year.

Geryon acted like he was informing Fuuga of the danger of their daughters were in, and was asking for his cooperation. But there was another plan behind it. Now that you knew the ending, if you rewatch this desperate persuasion scene again, pay attention to Geryon's expression. There will be a brief moment when you can really feel his acting, and it will give you goosebumps!

One thing we definitely wanted to do was a dialogue between Fuuga and Geryon. If we were going to do it, it had to be here. We used the form of a Russian roulette as a tense battle that takes place while the conversation unfolds. We also had a gun supervisor on set, and the production turned out to be very realistic!

(Note: I'm surprised to learn this room is a built set and not a real house)

Were you surprised by Houtarou's solution?
"Only things related to game can enter Gaelijah's space? Oh, so I can become a gun!"
The fact that he didn't choose between a logical solution A nor B, but created a solution C was what Fuuga acknowledges as Houtarou's strengths.

On a side note, it was quite difficult for the scriptwriter team to come up with Houtarou's solution C. It's quite difficult to think of ideas while putting yourself in Houtarou's head while keeping in mind the fact that he is fighting alongside Chemys. The BulletChoucho Plan was a nice idea thought up by the TV Asahi producer!

Geryon wasn't trying to save Atropos, but rather aimed to shift control of the Chimera to himself and use that power to create the Golden Land. He also wanted to show Fuuga Rinne's death so he could see Fuuga's despair.
Then a three-way battle begans. What Glion was clever about was that, if Gaelijah tried to kill Rinne to stop the birth of the Chimera, Houtaro or Fuuga would step in to stop her. So if Gaelijah failed to kill Rinne, he would get the chimera; But even if Gaelijah was successful, he would still get to see Fuuga's despair over Rinne's death. He created a structure that allowed him to get at least one of the things he wanted.

Gaelijah's Philosopher's Stone went to Geryon... Or so we thought. Half of it was also split to Gigist, the other Dark King who we must not forget. Gigist had been watching the developments from the sidelines for a long time, but if he doesn't act soon, the series will be over! (?)

With this shoot, we celebrated the 10 years old birthday of Okita Genno, who plays Atropos!
It was such an honor to be able to celebrate her memorable day of turning double digits!!

Original Japanese Text

りんねとアトロポスの誕生には強いつながりがある(結果、りんねをモデルにしてアトロポスがつくられた）という設定は
早い段階から何となく固まっていたものでした。
(りんねも人形だった説やすでに死んでいる説がアイディアとして出されたりも……)
そこから、3名の脚本家と監督たち、
そして何より、松本麗世と沖田絃乃という2人の役者で1年間紡いできた２人の深い結びつき。

風雅に娘たちの危険を知らせ、協力を要請しているように見えますが、
結局その裏には別の企みがありましたね。
結末を知ったうえで、
この必死の説得シーンをグリオンの表情に注目してもう一度見ていただくと
彼の芝居を感じ取れる瞬間が本当に一瞬だけあって、鳥肌が立ちますのでおすすめです……！

絶対どこかで実現させたかったのが、石丸さんと鎌苅さんの対話劇。
やるならここだろうと、
会話を繰り広げながらできる緊迫感のあるバトルということで
ロシアンルーレットという形をとりました。
現場では銃監修の方にもついていただき、
とてもリアルな演出になっています！

さて、宝太郎の打開策には驚いていただけたのではないでしょうか？
久しぶりのバレットチョウチョワイルドが登場！
ゲームに関するものしかガエリヤの空間には入り込めない……
あっそういえば俺銃になれるじゃん！ということで
AでもBでもなくCを生み出すのが、
風雅さんも認める、ずっと変わらない宝太郎の良さと強さ！
完全なる余談ですが、
脚本家さんをはじめとした文芸チームで宝太郎のCを考え出すのはなかなか難しい時間でした。
宝太郎という名の一休さんだったら、どんな頓知を利かせるだろう？
宝太郎の頭になってみて、さらにケミーとの共闘という部分をはずさずにアイディアを考えるのが結構大変。
今回のバレットチョウチョワイルド擬態作戦はテレ朝Pのナイスアイディアでした！

グリオンは、アトロポスを救おうとしていたのではなく、
むしろキマイラの主導権を自分に書き換えて、黄金郷実現に利用することを狙っていました。
ついでにその犠牲となるりんねの姿を風雅に見せ、
絶望する顔を拝んでやろうという魂胆。

三つ巴の戦いがはじまりますが、
グリオンが上手だったのは、
ガエリヤがキマイラ誕生を阻止するためにりんねを殺そうとしても、
それは宝太郎か風雅が止めに入るため、
ガエリヤの阻止が失敗してのキマイラの誕生か、
宝太郎の阻止が失敗してのりんねの死と風雅の絶望は、最低でも見られる。
求めるものが、少なくともひとつは手に入る構造をつくったこと。

こうして、ガエリヤの元にあった賢者の石のかけらは
グリオンのものに……
なるかと思いきや、忘れてはいけないもうひとりの冥黒王、
ギギストへもちゃっかり分配されました。
長いこと外野で動向を伺っていたギギスト、
そろそろ本気を出さないとガッチャードも終わっちゃうぞ！（？）

実はこの撮影で、
アトロポス役・沖田絃乃さんの10歳のお誕生日をお祝いしました～！
２桁歳突入の記念すべき日をお祝いできて、とても光栄でした！！

[takenoko]

>Gaelijah gave up her humanity? The Hades Kings were once humans?

Based on the names, there's an implication these guys were the founding alchemists. The first guy who died even said as much. Gaelijah is based on the alchemist that was also a fortune teller

>(Ideas were put forth that Rinne was a doll or that she was already dead...)

hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder when they decided against that

[Lunagel]

>(Ideas were put forth that Rinne was a doll or that she was already dead...)

hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder when they decided against that

I'm debating whether the wooden acting at the beginning was due to that now

[Zerato]

So, if I remember correctly about the Philosopher's Stone, Geryon and Gigist should have 49% and 50% respectively of the stone's power. Based on Gigist's motivations earlier in the series, shouldn't that objectively make one of them more powerful than the other? Yet the episode somehow doesn't end with them trying to kill each other to hit 99%